To think many women aren't suited to all police situations

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Moment police officer sobs after 'being punched at Manchester Airport' Police officer sobs

Vile the police officers were attacked by the media and by politicans. However, this is a seperate issuse - I don't think she should have been sent to deal with this in the first place.

Nonsense, I think plenty of blokes would have cried if they’d punched that hard.

Size isn’t everything either, my partner is a 6ft 3 big bloke but he’s a gentle giant so wouldn’t be well suited to being in the police at all and would be no use in a situation like this.

Honestly I am disgusted at these attitudes. Many female officers are much better at descalating conflict than some male officers. And that’s what they should be doing in the first instance.

After 30 years in policing of fighting misogyny and sexism within I thought the general public, which Mumsnet are, would be behind a 50/50 police force

That's not what was said. Capability isn't necessarily equal to physical strength.

how many situations have you seen that have been escalated by male officers unnecessarily? Cos I’ve seen plenty and managed to calm people down.
and also arrested many where needed too

Yes because all women are 5ft2 and thin and all men are 6ft3 and play rugby, 🙄

And if de-escalation doesn’t work, what then? Watch the video of the Irish police officer who’s attacked by two men whilst his female partner stands and watches, it’s uncomfortable viewing

My point is valid, what have I missed? Police officers risk their lives everyday to protect the public. It is completely ungrateful to say you’d rather a man show up to protect you than a woman when that woman just wants to help you.

i think the comment is about size and strength
not gender

So you believe you can physically compete with men when it comes to violence?

Poor woman.

I don't think 'equality' quota's should apply to police.

You need big burly men , practically speaking.

Smaller, female officers will have roles that may be ideally suited but I know you can't really say anything common sense related on here or you'll get flamed for being sexist or non PC.

But with dangerous situations, the police have to look threatening/in control I think.

Many men aren't either.

And yes, on average men are physically bigger and stronger, but that isn't all that's needed. Some 'tough guy' men (and equivalent women, for they do exist) may escalate situations through their belligerence.

Being a good police officer is not an easy job; only a minority could do it well,

Lots obviously.

I'm not saying don't let women in. I'm not saying women can't be excellent police officers, or that they aren't better in many policing situations.

I'm saying sometimes tiny women and men aren't in the best roles when you need physical presence and strength.

I totally agree

Why the hell do we need a video of that? Bloody Daily Fail.

@Golden407 you clearly don't understand that weight and size classes in professional fighting is in no way comparable to street fighting.
Professional fights have classes split by weight, gender, age, have rule sets, ban weapons, ban drugs, and have referees. Oh and have a 1:1 ratio for opponents.

Pretending that a male police officer is somehow a fair match to a male offender is idiocy when you ignore all those other factors. Which is why police officers are trained and have a myriad of techniques and strategies that do not rely on size and strength alone.

Oh well ladies….the fluffy mumsnetters have spoken, back to the kitchen sink for us then!

or….not…

This was not a restraining situation though was it. My cousin is a female DC in the met and yes she can and has restrained people (she mostly investigates serious crimes though) but these guys were beyond restraining

I read once that several militaries have found that women soldiers are able to excel in a lot of the roles male soldiers have, but not in all of them. For example, apparently women are as good or better than men when it comes to being fighter pilots or snipers. But once it was a matter of ground combat (this article said), women were at a severe disadvantage compared to men.

I think a similar thing could be true with female police officers. If you’re a detective interviewing a suspect, physical size matters much less than if you’re chasing down an assailant.

Surely the point of having the police turn up to an incident is not that they are bigger and stronger than the general public but that they have training on dealing with situations and tools at their disposal like tasers and pepper spray.

I am deeply offended and outraged by your post

Ex police here - YABU. I’ve definitely been a lot emotionally stronger than a lot of my male colleagues over the years

It seems to me that Inspector Amy Scott was in control in a very dangerous and threatening situation.

www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-68806806.amp

The pursuit for the Hainault sword attacker was led by a female PC. She ran towards danger in a terrifying situation and very nearly lost her arm in the process.

There are amazing female police officers risking their lives every day yet people don't acknowledge that, instead choosing to inexplicably focus on the totally normal human reaction to pain of crying. Baffling.

You're right. There are some amazing and heroic female officers.

The problem isn't them.

The problem comes from the fact : knife wielding maniacs aren't scared of them. They pose little threat and they themselves wil remain the vulnerable ones by virtue of their sex and lesser physical strength.

Obviously with detectives and other police jobs this isn't so much the case.

But front line....

The police is not the military
Daily contact withbers of the public, including in airports, is not meant to be a matter mainly of chasing down people and beating the shit out of them. Of course, sometimes chasing down people and forceful arrests are required. But they aren't and shouldn't be the main requirementsnof the job
I know someone (a man as it happens) who has arrested a lot of people over the years and never had to use his baton on anyone for example.
Most people in the UK, when asked what they think the police lack, talk about "the bobby on the beat" that is police having a physical presence on foot or by bike. That has been proven to have an effect on public perceptions of safety and crime rates
Noone wants super tools up Judge Dreads powering about the place. Though of course there will always be a place for physical strength.

So if females aren’t suited to the job and are going to be discriminated against what we will have next is a thread full of mumsnetters hating on the menz police ,moaning they want FEMALES