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To wonder if there'll be a revolt?

526 replies

TreatTreat · 09/07/2025 21:21

In the country that's stretched to its limits, today it was announced that Keir has agreed with Mr Macron that just 50 illegal migrants per week will be sent away.

I know so many people are totally fed up with the state of the country.

Will there be protests?

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Parker231 · 10/07/2025 19:59

Yellowshirt · 10/07/2025 19:58

We need to opt out. The country is full.

It involves coming out of the ECHR - who is going to risk the Good Friday Agreement?

DicentraAlba · 10/07/2025 19:59

LadyKenya · 09/07/2025 21:29

Maybe any revolt should be about the tiny percentage of people, hoarding most of the wealth, that would at least make sense. I won't hold my breath though.

Absolutely this!

Thelostjewels · 10/07/2025 19:59

@MyNameIsX you mean like our dear leader ??

What a disgrace.

Those re Brexit have short memories. When Blair dropped workers rights our country was flooded with some good but unfortunately some very bad people. Sex trafficking ,human slavery etc went through the roof eastern European crime gang benefits cheats and guess what...we had absolutely no idea because we didn't monitor anything.
We couldn't track people and those who had commited all sorts of crimes across the EU got a nice fresh start For extortian, rape and violence here.

If we had 1000 people come then 700 good and 300 bad is not hard to cope with but unfortunately millions came over making it's extremely hard to manage

I think we are still recovering and yet now we have to put up with thousands of young men every month again they burn documents we don't know who they are.

I think an immediate stop to all of it actually , prioritising women and children only from known. Trouble spots . Then men have given themselves priority for years so why not supper the actual vulnerable for andhange

Glitchymn1 · 10/07/2025 20:00

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/07/2025 19:01

I thought you weren't allowed to be out of the country for more than 30 days if you're on benefits.

You aren’t. It’s 28 days. They’re not going to come and admit to that though.

SeriaMau · 10/07/2025 20:00

Livelovebehappy · 09/07/2025 22:07

Yeayyy. Lots of single men from Syria, Iran and Afghanistan flooding our shores. What could possibly go wrong? Where are their family - wives, mothers, children? Abondoned presumably in those dangerous countries they’ve escaped from. So we already know their values and morals…..

Yes, it amazes me that it is mostly young men coming by boat from dangerous countries. You would think there would be more elderly matrons from Spain, and pensioners from Norway. I think they are coming to find work and help their families back home, or just make some money for themselves. Just my guess…

bombastix · 10/07/2025 20:02

I think this quite clever. There is no rule in international law that says you have to be in a jurisdiction to claim asylum. This is the principle behind the old safe route system.

This can and must be administered from the UK to certain asylum seekers in France. If you do not qualify then no asylum in the UK. If you enter unlawfully you will never qualify.

If it works, then it will greatly cut the numbers of boats.

Alexandra2001 · 10/07/2025 20:02

Julen7 · 10/07/2025 19:40

So other countries are able to “refuse point blank” but somehow we can’t?

Uh?

We would be sending back migrants via regular means ie flights, many countries refuse, can't land without their consent...

I'd have thought the difference is very obvious.

Glitchymn1 · 10/07/2025 20:03

@Alexandra2001 There are rules, but many don't abide by them. UC can be claimed, landlords are often involved.

Alexandra2001 · 10/07/2025 20:03

Glitchymn1 · 10/07/2025 20:00

You aren’t. It’s 28 days. They’re not going to come and admit to that though.

Exit stamps on passports?

Fairly basic check

Alexandra2001 · 10/07/2025 20:04

Glitchymn1 · 10/07/2025 20:03

@Alexandra2001 There are rules, but many don't abide by them. UC can be claimed, landlords are often involved.

Isn't that your job as you re in Benefit fraud?

Its clealy possible to stop, there have been some hi profile cases recently.

EasternStandard · 10/07/2025 20:04

bombastix · 10/07/2025 20:02

I think this quite clever. There is no rule in international law that says you have to be in a jurisdiction to claim asylum. This is the principle behind the old safe route system.

This can and must be administered from the UK to certain asylum seekers in France. If you do not qualify then no asylum in the UK. If you enter unlawfully you will never qualify.

If it works, then it will greatly cut the numbers of boats.

That’s not happening to the other 16?

1 in 17 goes back and 16 get processed in U.K.

callmej · 10/07/2025 20:07

MugsyBalonz · 10/07/2025 19:25

It's not new. In Victorian England, certain newspapers were bemoaning the "alien invasion" and spoke of immigrants living in exclusionary groups, shunning British culture in favour of their own. Photo is an example of one such article from 1902. It's ever been this when it comes to immigration, the only difference now is that you have the likes of Farage and GBeebies using it as a dog whistle to stir up anti-immigration rhetoric.

It's not new that people are moaning, it's new that we have ghettoised groups of culturally foreign people of such numbers they are having extreme effect on policy and culture. Elizabeth I complained there were far too many [black people] (I won't use the term she did); there were a few hundred.

I most certainly do not follow Farage, and I don't know what GBeebies is? Do you mean CBeebies?

How precisely do you think multiculturalism has improved British culture? What benefits has it given us that is entirely its own influence, that could not have been achieved any other way?

Now, I would say my own experience of immigration is probably more positive than negative. But I also realise that most of the benefits I myself have seen have not been dependent on the promotion of segregated cultural groups. In fact, the most negative experiences that I have had have seemingly stemmed from cultural differences rather than the inherent pressures of immigration. And I can't think of anything that has improved specifically because of the presence of a different culture.

I also realise that I am only one person, and that other people's experiences have been less positive, or even completely negative. No doubt, some people feel their lives vastly enriched by contact with other cultures in their own neighbourhoods, and others feel their lives are significantly poorer.

I am not arrogant enough to believe that because my experience is more neutral, that other people's opinions are not as valid. That way lies Reform.

PaxAeterna · 10/07/2025 20:08

Yellowshirt · 10/07/2025 19:58

We need to opt out. The country is full.

Not sure if you missed my post. It would involve changing a lot of laws and it would be tied up in the courts for years. Even Trump hasn’t tried to do this.
You’d need to come up with something that worked within the current legal framework.

Alexandra2001 · 10/07/2025 20:08

EasternStandard · 10/07/2025 20:04

That’s not happening to the other 16?

1 in 17 goes back and 16 get processed in U.K.

Under Sunak, 1 got sent to Rwanda, 99 stayed here.....

Well actually no one got sent to Rwanda plus its a pilot scheme atm.

I think it might work, no one will pay a gang if there is a good chance they'll be sent back to France.

Why not give it a chance? there is nothing else on offer.

Pinty · 10/07/2025 20:09

That is 59 more than currently! This is an additional arrangement separate from the normal deportation rules.
The others will still be deported if they have no right to be here.
I have no idea why so many people are obsessed about with asylum seekers who risk their lives to try and get a better life.
And no I don't think there will be a revolt. There may be a few people who try to whip up hatred but they won't succeed any more than they did last year

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 20:11

Pinty · 10/07/2025 20:09

That is 59 more than currently! This is an additional arrangement separate from the normal deportation rules.
The others will still be deported if they have no right to be here.
I have no idea why so many people are obsessed about with asylum seekers who risk their lives to try and get a better life.
And no I don't think there will be a revolt. There may be a few people who try to whip up hatred but they won't succeed any more than they did last year

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The distinction now is we have an increasingly deteriorating economic outlook - people are feeling the pinch. I sense that patience is wearing thin.

EasternStandard · 10/07/2025 20:13

So 16 out of 17 do get processed here and I assume it’s per the normal criteria for asylum

bombastix · 10/07/2025 20:15

EasternStandard · 10/07/2025 20:04

That’s not happening to the other 16?

1 in 17 goes back and 16 get processed in U.K.

You have to think about the actual legal effect. Ignore the numbers.

But it does mean a lawful route. It creates a lawful basis to say yes or no. It means you cannot enter the UK and claim asylum without qualification under this rule. If you do, you cannot ever qualify. That means you don’t ever become an “asylum seeker”. You never get the protections.

Success depends on what “family connections” mean and very tough immigration enforcement in the UK

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 20:17

Asylum seekers qualify for housing, and a cash allowance of £49.18 per person, per week, plus NHS access, free prescriptions, dental and eye tests, plus access to state schooling and free school meals where applicable.

Accommodation for asylum seekers is expected to cost more than £15bn, three times the amount the Home Office originally estimated, according to the latest figures.

The Conservative government signed contracts in 2019 that were due to pay £4.5bn of taxpayers’ money to three companies over a decade.

However, a report by the National Audit Office, the government spending watchdog, says that number is now estimated to be £15.3bn over the 10-year period.

The report was requested by parliament’s cross-party home affairs committee, which is conducting an inquiry into asylum accommodation and was published on Wednesday 7 May.

EasternStandard · 10/07/2025 20:18

bombastix · 10/07/2025 20:15

You have to think about the actual legal effect. Ignore the numbers.

But it does mean a lawful route. It creates a lawful basis to say yes or no. It means you cannot enter the UK and claim asylum without qualification under this rule. If you do, you cannot ever qualify. That means you don’t ever become an “asylum seeker”. You never get the protections.

Success depends on what “family connections” mean and very tough immigration enforcement in the UK

Hang on what happens to the 16? Can you say?

Do they stay in the UK to be processed or.. ?

cobrakaieaglefang · 10/07/2025 20:21

Back to the original question..will there be a revolt? Nah, there's lots of whinging, lots of online warriors, lots of wannabees, but actually very few will actually do anything practical about complaining/ riots etc.
Most people can't afford to get into trouble and potentially loose their livelihood.
I was in a pub at the weekend, the racist/ xenophobic typical blokes all whinging about the 'invasion', and the 'we need to take our country back' I asked the one I knew, away from the others as they are generally misogynistic too what he planned to do about it then, he didn't have an answer, because its all hot air.

bombastix · 10/07/2025 20:21

No they don’t. The processing happens in France. One in, one out.

For example, the Rwanda scheme failed because the country was not safe. But there is no rule at all to say you can’t process asylum in another country. So it will be France. That works legally. Then the UK sends back one failed asylum seeker back in exchange. This greatly (and lawfully) tightens the criteria for asylum. It is clever. And not new policy.

CuriousMountain · 10/07/2025 20:22

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/07/2025 18:47

Asylum seekers are about 6% of the population and the people coming on boats make up around half of those. So 3% of the population are going to quickly take over..

It depends how many children they have compared to the falling birth rate in the UK.
As a quick example if the 3% have 3 children each, for four successive generations, and everyone else has just one child for four successive generations, the original 3% will have changed to 74% (thanks chat GPT)
Obviously that's an extreme and simplistic example, but it's the kind of thing people are worried about.
Our young people don't want children, or they only want one, whereas other cultures seem to have more.
Over time this will massively change things.

Alexandra2001 · 10/07/2025 20:22

cobrakaieaglefang · 10/07/2025 20:21

Back to the original question..will there be a revolt? Nah, there's lots of whinging, lots of online warriors, lots of wannabees, but actually very few will actually do anything practical about complaining/ riots etc.
Most people can't afford to get into trouble and potentially loose their livelihood.
I was in a pub at the weekend, the racist/ xenophobic typical blokes all whinging about the 'invasion', and the 'we need to take our country back' I asked the one I knew, away from the others as they are generally misogynistic too what he planned to do about it then, he didn't have an answer, because its all hot air.

Yep!

Authorities hot on rioting and incitement to riot, as that Tory councillors wife found out the hard way.

Clavinova · 10/07/2025 20:23

Alexandra2001
France refuses to take back migrants or have refused, thank Brexit for that

Some stats for France here - we took more from them:

Transfers of asylum seekers from the UK to France under the Dublin Regulation:
2017 - 10
2018 - 51
2019 - 53
2020 - 25

Transfers of asylum seekers to the UK from France under the Dublin Regulation:
2017 - 91
2018 - 92
2019 - 90
2020 - 219