To wonder if there'll be a revolt?

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In the country that's stretched to its limits, today it was announced that Keir has agreed with Mr Macron that just 50 illegal migrants per week will be sent away.

I know so many people are totally fed up with the state of the country.

Will there be protests?

Doesn’t that just mean you’re forever needing more people? The next lot to pay those who’ve arrived and age.

So other countries are able to “refuse point blank” but somehow we can’t?

Does work like that. The UK, as a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, acknowledges the right of individuals to seek asylum from persecution.
This right is enshrined in international law and recognized by many countries.
The UK has established a system, primarily through the Home Office, to assess asylum claims and determine who qualifies for refugee status

Even Trump who would happily throw everyone out has not attempted to dismantle the legal right to claim asylum. There would be so many internal laws to change / it would take years and there would be huge pushback in court. then practically it would be difficult to actually return people.

It can be done, just somewhere else instead. If a country wants to remain a signatory.

That’s what happens when the money and the freebies run out. Theres too many people in this country who are too used to taking and never putting anything in the pot. Our borrowing is out of control. As the number of people paying for these freebies is declining, then the takers are about to learn the hard way that there is such thing as a free lunch.

Ponzi scheme

A guy in llb this morning said in Australia they have an island specially to process and send people back. If they try and claim asylum having arrived on a boat they get sent back.
They said it was controversial at first but it's worked.

This deal in theory is quite interesting legally because the number of asylum seekers with a “family connection” may in practice and in application be rather small. It depends on how it is defined.

But if it works, it means that France will no longer have encampments, because there will be no point. You will enter France and apply to the UK and show a connection? Interesting one. And if you arrived in the UK and fail, it’s seems very likely that part of this deal is that the French will fail you too and then off you go elsewhere in the EU.

The issue is enforcing in the UK where we would have to spend a lot more money and our black market economy which the French are correct to say is a huge issue. Wonder what we are doing on that?

Individuals can only make their application when they are actually in the UK. Applying from another country ie France ended with Brexit.

So many have come here now and with false documents I expect much worse numbers.

I also heard on the radio that whilst Macron has been here suprise surprise the French have been destroying boats.

It does work. The only country to do it and get numbers down drastically.

With this we swap one with one but only 50 so 1 in 17 in total.

What happens to the other 16 arriving in the U.K.?

They get processed as usual?

One of our major issues is the enemy within.

Human Rights lawyers, bleeding heart liberals, and those already here etc.

But I wonder if this deal changes that a little? In reality, it must be that you show a family connection to enter the UK. If you can across the Channel by boat and did not have such, then you are going to be barred from claiming asylum in the UK and will be sent back to France. The details matter a lot here

Like Farage has the first fucking clue how to go about that. Ridiculous people voting for that ridiculous 'politician'.

I don’t think they ever applied from France? People travelled over in lorries pre Brexit

Anyway when I say processing elsewhere I mean another safe country is permissible as a signatory

Illegal immigrants and asylum seekers are two different things.

Most people coming on boats claim asylum. So they are officially counted. The majority want to claim asylum, because, right now, people are arriving from countries where their claim is likely to be successful . The most common country is Afghanistan right now.

We can't just have open borders . We are over populated.
You come up with a better solution then.
I would make changes tomorrow.

The government should be giving tax rebates for the last 10 years and stopping all immigration

I note there was some talk of denying visas to the UK from countries that do not accept their failed asylum seekers back. That will upset quite a lot of people but it would probably be very effective

Does anyone know what happens to the 16 out of 17 who cross?

BAU?

people go on about people should come here by legal routes to claim asylum and not come on the boats. Coming as a student and then asking for asylum is the only legal route of course students don’t attend the courses because they are housed in the city where they put not where the college or university.

Not under current legislation. To make a change the UK would have to leave the ECHR.

If the UK withdrew from the ECHR, there would be inevitable international consequences.

The Belfast/Good Friday agreement requires the ECHR to be part of the law in Northern Ireland. There is no way for the UK to leave the ECHR without violating the agreement, causing issues for the peace settlement in Northern Ireland, as well as the UK’s relationship with Ireland, the EU and the US.

How do you think they should stop immigration?

Yes but you mentioned the 1951 convention which we remain a signatory of

Whether other legislation changes I guess we’ll see what the electorate think over next few years

We need to opt out. The country is full.