To wonder if there'll be a revolt?

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In the country that's stretched to its limits, today it was announced that Keir has agreed with Mr Macron that just 50 illegal migrants per week will be sent away.

I know so many people are totally fed up with the state of the country.

Will there be protests?

But I think people need to be honest and own their choices. Yes, I'm sure you were a refugee when you fled from Somalia to France; but once you decided to leave France to get to the UK, you became an economic migrant (not that France is a poorer country than us) and you were no longer a refugee or asylum seeker.

Nonsense. If civil war broke out in the UK i wod try to get to Australia. My family
would be aiming for Canada or the USA, none would aim for France, largely because for various reasons we have more chance of being settled refugees (language, family connections, alternative citizenships etc) - it would not stop us being any less genuine.

This place is a cesspool sometimes.

Yep the pp is getting that already

Depends if people get their news entirely from The Daily Fail, and Gbeebies .. or look elsewhere.

Said scheme is running as a pilot, and if it’s deemed effective, numbers will be able to be increased. It’s right that we do things in this way, rather than making wild claims that can’t be substantiated.

The French have requested that we improve things internally, and crack down on our “shadow economy” that allows refugees/asylum seekers/illegal immigrants … to take paid employment, from unscrupulous companies.

They have also asked for funding for this squad that now patrols the beaches, asking for extra
money / equipment, for Drone Technology etc.

In return they have said they will stop boats within 300 meters of the shore - however, they are likely to face legal challenges from the French Courts. There is also the threat of legal action from Greece, and some other countries, who fear this policy will send people back the way they came, and back to these countries

It’s a complicated situation, and all the Reform type “stop the boats” rhetoric, makes no mention of how they would deal with the issues, such as those outlined above. It’s easy to write a quick sound bite … much much more difficult to actually put in place a workable practical solution.

Genuinely? You'd shop around, rather than staying in the first safe place?.

You mention Australia and citizenship in this post. You wouldn’t be a refugee if you have that. Hardly anyone would choose to go there without citizenship.

The country did when Maggie introduced the Poll Tax.

Those were the days.

David Betz, Professor in the Department of War Studies, Kings College, thinks we may face significant civil unrest and disruption in the next 5 years. He wrote a lengthy essay on the subject back in 2023, it was published in two parts in Military Strategy Magazine. He identifies the conditions for civil war and highlights how many of those conditions currently exist in many western countries, including the UK.

He's also been interviewed on several of the the long form interview podcasts if you are interested in hearing what he has to say. He is not advocating for civil unrest he is simply presenting information about it's likelihood based on current evidence.

https://www.militarystrategymagazine.com/article/civil-war-comes-to-the-west/

https://www.militarystrategymagazine.com/article/civil-war-comes-to-the-west-part-ii-strategic-realities/

I think if it kicks off in one area, it could spread.

People are getting increasingly angry at it all. 🤷‍♀️

Riots and protests usually happen in good weather.

If I was in a country where I didn't speak the language and/or didn't know anyone and/or didn't understand the culture and customs but had the opportunity to get to one where I did then I'd aim for the latter. Many of these people are from former colonies and so are aiming for the place they identify as the metropole. Our historical and ongoing actions have contributed towards them seeking asylum here. To borrow a phrase: they are here because we were there.

One of the major flaws in the asylum system is that you need to be on British soil to claim it and successive governments have closed off safe routes, leaving few options other than the Channel crossing. They could make it possible to apply at any British Embassy for asylum and speed up application processes. Successful? You'll be green lit to head to Britain. Unsuccessful? You'll be directed to whatever alternative is most appropriate. Then they could close off the Channel by stating that anyone arriving via this method will be barred from.claimong asylum as there are other, safer, routes. They need to invest more in going after the organisers of the crossings, predominantly organised criminal gangs, and target the businesses and drug farms in the UK where many of these asylum seekers will be trafficked to.

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Which of these countries were former British colonies? It looks more like a list of countries we've destabilised though more recent disastrous foreign policy.

It's certainly building towards that. Day after day, social media and the right wing press use dehumanising, far right rhetoric to stir division and hate. Day after day, this place sounds like the Daily Heil comments pages where asylum seekers are called "illegals", "boat people" "an invasion" "a danger to women". Apparently they're members of ISIS bringing in guns and want to take over the country🙄

what do riots achieve ?
Broken cars, broken lives, shops closing up, thefts, deaths

all things that make you think the uk is going downhill?

the logic ? The country is going downhill so let’s wreck it seems pretty stupid to me

what are people really angry about ? Lack of decent work and homes? How does rioting solve that? It breaks homes and drives business away

How does trying to hold back a tide of humanity looking for - drum roll - decent work and homes prove you have any more brains than King Canute ?

be angry at the right thing - wealth horders
the richest get ever richer and if they shared a little more then things would be a lot better - you know anyone with a few million floating around ( hi mr farage)

but that idea of sharing goes beyond our national boundaries- we live on one planet, a planet we first colonsised and are now making unliveable

if we shared a little more then those people might just be a little less desperate

so you want to change how wealth is shared - so for fucks sake don’t riot, but do be prepared to talk about what type of wealth taxes make most sense and at what level they should start to kick in

becyase at the moment that isn’t happening because the wealthy like farage have made sure you hate all forms of wealth tax even those that ( given your assertions of being really badly off ) could never affect you. Politicians are scared of wealth taxes because of how we and they are manipulated by the super rich ( and because many are super rich like farage and starmer )

Loads of answers here, sneering, looking down at people who don't want immigration to run as it is.
All you are doing is preventing real discussion.

Most people do not want unknown people here. Many are, or become, criminals. This is not a radical or right wing position. This is a human position of protection, of their home and civilisation.

Be aware that it is the job of many to write on forums such as this, and spread a particular view. These people are paid by the government and other parties.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they are not after you.

Refugees will generally stay near their country because they want to go home as soon as they can.

The men coming to the UK are economic migrants trying to start a new life. There's nothing wrong with that, why shouldn't they want to improve their lives? The answer is probably going to be no but I've no problem with them having a go. Dishonestly calling them refugees, as the new style self-id left like to do, is insidiously undermining genuine refugees and is more likely to set the general public against the whole concept of refugees in the first place - people aren't as stupid as they need them to be over the issue and we know they're lying.

I think there should have been a public revolt against lockdown by about April 2020, once it became clear that things were nowhere near as bad as the government was telling us.

But no, people pleaded for more restrictions, and believed everything from the mouth of Satan Saint Boris, that he had their best interests at heart, that it was all for their own good; just like so many people believe every word spoken by the Devil who answers to the name of Farage.

We’re not good at openly revolting against the establishment.

70% are given refugee status. The vast majority stay near their home country but in places like Iran and Pakistan, they're being forced back.

Afghanistan - we used it as a bulwark state between British India and Russia and applied considerable pressure on its politics.

Syria - we (along with the French) invaded and occupied it during WW2

Eritrea - was an Italian colony but during WW2 was invaded and controlled by Britain for over a decade

Iran - considered part of the 'informal' Empire due to heavy British influence and control over its economy and politics, as well as maintenance of a British military presence.

Sudan - was a British colony

Vietnam - wasn't formally colonised but Britain did have significant influence in the region.

Iraq - was not colonised but was under British mandate, Britain maintained a military presence and exerted influence

Turkey - was occupied by Britain (and other Allied nations) for over a decade during and after WW1

Yemen - Aden was a British colony for over 100 years

Kuwait - was a British protectorate and under British influence

I dint think there will specifically be a revolt about France taking back 50 a week.

I mean, they aren't French are they? Im not really sure why france would want them back at all. It all seems very diplomatic..

I dont think Farage would have got 50 a week. He'd be starting a stand off in the channel with one of our closest military allies.

50 is not the maximum. There are already plenty of illegal immigrants being returned to other countries, in fact this government is processing them much more quickly than the previous one. But that isn't what you want to read or admit to, is it, OP?

What people forget with the ‘eat the rich’ argument is that the importation of a million people from poorer countries (Boris wave) actually keeps wages down, increases reliance on state benefits, and decreases living standards further for everyone. So the wealthy can hoard even more wealth.

Abuse of immigrants goes hand in hand with capitalist overlords. The kindest thing to do is to actually have a much stricter and well monitored immigration system.

Look at the companies making the most money out of the immigration crisis and trace the money backwards. You’ll notice most of the companies are owned by generational wealth. Serco for example is linked to Churchills grandkids.

So if we want to get serious on wealth redistribution, we need a serious discussion on immigration without cries of racism.

The 1978 to 1979 strikes?

Maybe not now though. People are too selfish, too lazy and youngsters are too addicted to phones.

Do you not realise that you are being manipulated with this immigrant obsession. If we are going to revolt it should be against the billionaires who are creaming all of the money away from ordinary people and making us all poorer. But instead we idolise those people and focus on immigrants and people on benefits. Can't you see that this is exactly what those billionaires (who also own most the media) want you to do. So, yes, we do need a revolution but not against a few desperate people in dingies. We need to tax all of the greedy fuck billionaires who own most of our country- and many of whom, incidentally, are not British.

Enough with the gaslighting.

I come from a rough area, worked hard and live in a very highly desired area. Our 5* hotel was taken over. Young school girls accosted in the street or lewd comments made to them, crime up, litter all around that hotel. Locals who waved the ‘refugees welcome’ banner now kicking off.

It’s not an obsession when it finally reaches your back garden and you see that certain cultures don’t mix well. Especially cultures that see women as meat.

I'd join one.. it's beyond a joke now. They say there's no money, start with not paying millions to people here illegally.