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To wonder if there'll be a revolt?

526 replies

TreatTreat · 09/07/2025 21:21

In the country that's stretched to its limits, today it was announced that Keir has agreed with Mr Macron that just 50 illegal migrants per week will be sent away.

I know so many people are totally fed up with the state of the country.

Will there be protests?

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Locutus2000 · 10/07/2025 17:42

Glitchymn1 · 10/07/2025 17:27

This.

Also benefit tourism - you may wonder how many of our homes are actually mostly empty/ a facade as the occupants aren’t in the U.K. for more than a few days a year. But boy do they claim all those benefits, including carer allowance, PIP, UC, rent and council tax relief etc.

I work in fraud and we can’t touch them.

That's terrible, do you have any evidence?

MugsyBalonz · 10/07/2025 18:07

Dappy777 · 10/07/2025 17:13

But that doesn't mean it's OK. I sympathize with Spanish people who resent Brits not bothering to learn the language, flying union jacks, and falling about drunk in the street. People have a right to preserve their culture and identity. It's a lie that you can have mass immigration and multiculturalism and still be the same. Of course you can't.

Take an island like Okinawa, near Japan. Their population is 1.3 million. Imagine if 800,000 Swedes moved there over the coming decade. Obviously they'd completely change the culture and identity of Okinawa. Do you think that's fair? Don't you think the Okinawans should at least have a say in whether that happens? I really do feel like my identity is disappearing. I noticed this year that I've begun watching old YouTube clips of Monty Python and Fawlty Towers and Peter Cook. I've even begun re-watching Hancock's Half Hour. And I've also been re-reading P. G. Wodehouse and Dickens and Jane Austen. I felt a weird need to do it. Like I was being compelled. It suddenly occurred to me that I was doing all this because I'm desperately clinging on to my English-British identity. Even as I type I can see the smug, sneering faces of people like Owen Jones and Stewart Lee. But if I was an Australian aboriginee or a Kalahari Bushman and I said the same thing, smug Oxbridge liberals like them would be hugging me and marching in the streets in my defence.

Let’s unpack the Okinawa fantasy first. Japan has some of the most tight immigration controls in the world. The entire foreign population of Japan is just under 3% so the idea of 800,000 Swedes moving to a Japanese island of 1.3 million and erasing their culture via the establishment of an IKEA on every corner and meatballs for dinner every night is a laughably unrealistic description of immigration.

Multiculturalism doesn’t erase culture, it adds to it and Britain has a long-standing history of diverse ethnic groups. It goes back to my earlier comment of 'they are here because we were there', Britain established itself as the metropole of an empire and so people around the world looked to it as their mother country, they grew up in cultures that had been (forcibly) British-ified. Britain didn’t become “less British” by incorporating other cultures. Culture mixes and adapts.

You say you’re clinging to your identity, but no one’s stopping you from watching Fawlty Towers or reading Wodehouse, Austen has not been outlawed. If your cultural identity is so fragile that the presence of a Turkish barber on the high street sends it into a tailspin, maybe the problem isn’t immigration.

As for the Kalahari Bushman? Bit awkward. Colonised people weren’t upset about too many foreigners moving in, they were upset about being erased by force and that is absolutely not what is happening in Britain. Comparing that to you feeling weird about immigration is, frankly, wild. If you're pining for Austen era values and the days of the Empire, you're not the underdog in the immigration debate.

Ultimately you’re not under attack. You’re just aging in a changing world and blaming brown people for it which, to be fair, is a long-standing British tradition.

dottiehens · 10/07/2025 18:29

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/07/2025 12:03

Far right conspiracy theories are not difficult to understand.

Oh may ne just do the numbers. Duh!

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/07/2025 18:47

dottiehens · 10/07/2025 18:29

Oh may ne just do the numbers. Duh!

Asylum seekers are about 6% of the population and the people coming on boats make up around half of those. So 3% of the population are going to quickly take over..

Glitchymn1 · 10/07/2025 18:48

Locutus2000 · 10/07/2025 17:42

That's terrible, do you have any evidence?

We have plenty. It’s not against the benefit rules, as long as they pop their heads in the U.K now and then.
I’ve had someone who asked for an interpreter speak to me in perfect English after an IUC tell me they’ll carry on doing it and it’s rife! They’ll bring the kids passports with them and show them to us- nothing we can do.

TonTonMacoute · 10/07/2025 18:59

Alexandra2001 · 10/07/2025 13:45

Yet when Sunak said that 200 migrants per YEAR would go to Rwanda we called him the Messiah

There were signs, after it was announced, that there was a noticeable deterrent effect.

Ireland saw a significant increase in numbers of asylum applications and the journalist Peter Conradi spoke to migrants in Calais who told him they feared the policy.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/07/2025 19:01

Glitchymn1 · 10/07/2025 18:48

We have plenty. It’s not against the benefit rules, as long as they pop their heads in the U.K now and then.
I’ve had someone who asked for an interpreter speak to me in perfect English after an IUC tell me they’ll carry on doing it and it’s rife! They’ll bring the kids passports with them and show them to us- nothing we can do.

I thought you weren't allowed to be out of the country for more than 30 days if you're on benefits.

Alexandra2001 · 10/07/2025 19:03

TonTonMacoute · 10/07/2025 18:59

There were signs, after it was announced, that there was a noticeable deterrent effect.

Ireland saw a significant increase in numbers of asylum applications and the journalist Peter Conradi spoke to migrants in Calais who told him they feared the policy.

Well, that begs the question: Why didn't he wait until the scheme was in place and go for an October GE ?

He'd have stayed as PM.

What you mean by "signs" is anecdotal evidence, even Cleverly called it a bat shit policy.

Sending 1% of x channel migrants to Rwanda isn't a deterrent.

xanthomelana · 10/07/2025 19:04

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/07/2025 18:47

Asylum seekers are about 6% of the population and the people coming on boats make up around half of those. So 3% of the population are going to quickly take over..

I don’t understand how you can truly say how many people are entering the country illegally when even the government website with the figures acknowledges that the numbers are only the ones they have caught.

callmej · 10/07/2025 19:04

@MugsyBalonz

"Multiculturalism doesn’t erase culture, it adds to it"

You are making the mistake of presenting your opinion as objective fact. It is an entirely valid and respectable opinion, but it is still just an opinion, and one not everybody shares. There are many people who do not feel that our culture has been improved by mass immigration. And whilst you are correct that there have long been pockets of culturally foreign people in Britain, vast isolated and independent groups maintaining their own way of life and imposing their own values and customs on their host nation is new. A lot of people feel that immigration is one thing, but encouraging segregated ‘communities’ is another entirely, especially when some of these groups have quite contradictory views and values to the main.

Alexandra2001 · 10/07/2025 19:05

Glitchymn1 · 10/07/2025 18:48

We have plenty. It’s not against the benefit rules, as long as they pop their heads in the U.K now and then.
I’ve had someone who asked for an interpreter speak to me in perfect English after an IUC tell me they’ll carry on doing it and it’s rife! They’ll bring the kids passports with them and show them to us- nothing we can do.

Is this correct? no residency rules? UC able to be claimed, so job seekers allowance claimed?

I understand some PIP and Carers allowances are payable, same as pensions are paid to overseas residents

Parker231 · 10/07/2025 19:07

pinkstripeycat · 09/07/2025 22:57

France is so much bigger than the UK but we have more people than France. Spain is also much bigger and the population there is SO much less than the UK.

We are small and we haven’t got the space. We l certainly don’t have the resources to accommodate more people. Not without those already living here suffering for it.

Both France and Spain on a proportional basis take more than the UK.

Yellowshirt · 10/07/2025 19:11

@JHound . We need zero immigration. The country is at breaking point.

EsmaCannonball · 10/07/2025 19:19

I think we are heading for a world with a tiny affluent class and a huge service class with very few traditional middle or working class people in-between. The affluent class don't care who the service class will be or what their lives will be like as long as the services come cheap.

Parker231 · 10/07/2025 19:23

Screamingabdabz · 09/07/2025 23:09

He may as well just pack up his cabinet and hand it all over to Farage now. This is not ‘controlled’ immigration or even the appearance of it.

How would you stop people coming to the UK - it would be no different under Farage.

MugsyBalonz · 10/07/2025 19:25

callmej · 10/07/2025 19:04

@MugsyBalonz

"Multiculturalism doesn’t erase culture, it adds to it"

You are making the mistake of presenting your opinion as objective fact. It is an entirely valid and respectable opinion, but it is still just an opinion, and one not everybody shares. There are many people who do not feel that our culture has been improved by mass immigration. And whilst you are correct that there have long been pockets of culturally foreign people in Britain, vast isolated and independent groups maintaining their own way of life and imposing their own values and customs on their host nation is new. A lot of people feel that immigration is one thing, but encouraging segregated ‘communities’ is another entirely, especially when some of these groups have quite contradictory views and values to the main.

It's not new. In Victorian England, certain newspapers were bemoaning the "alien invasion" and spoke of immigrants living in exclusionary groups, shunning British culture in favour of their own. Photo is an example of one such article from 1902. It's ever been this when it comes to immigration, the only difference now is that you have the likes of Farage and GBeebies using it as a dog whistle to stir up anti-immigration rhetoric.

To wonder if there'll be a revolt?
Yellowshirt · 10/07/2025 19:28

Parker231 · 10/07/2025 19:23

How would you stop people coming to the UK - it would be no different under Farage.

It's very simple. Anyone entering the UK is immediately returned to there home country and barred from the UK for life.

EsmaCannonball · 10/07/2025 19:28

I don't know why people who are worried about billionaires and wealth redistribution and the NHS aren't more concerned about the traditional parties seemingly having no plans to take on Reform on this issue.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 10/07/2025 19:28

Sorry but if that’s the case, forget state pensions. We can’t pay them without migration.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 10/07/2025 19:29

Yellowshirt · 10/07/2025 19:28

It's very simple. Anyone entering the UK is immediately returned to there home country and barred from the UK for life.

“there”

EsmaCannonball · 10/07/2025 19:30

HangryLikeTheHulk · 10/07/2025 19:28

Sorry but if that’s the case, forget state pensions. We can’t pay them without migration.

GDP per capita is going down. The current state of affairs is unsustainable.

Jellycatspyjamas · 10/07/2025 19:31

callmej · 10/07/2025 19:04

@MugsyBalonz

"Multiculturalism doesn’t erase culture, it adds to it"

You are making the mistake of presenting your opinion as objective fact. It is an entirely valid and respectable opinion, but it is still just an opinion, and one not everybody shares. There are many people who do not feel that our culture has been improved by mass immigration. And whilst you are correct that there have long been pockets of culturally foreign people in Britain, vast isolated and independent groups maintaining their own way of life and imposing their own values and customs on their host nation is new. A lot of people feel that immigration is one thing, but encouraging segregated ‘communities’ is another entirely, especially when some of these groups have quite contradictory views and values to the main.

Really? Like the values that mean at least two women per week are murdered by their intimate partner/ex. Or the values that mean rape is defacto legalised. Those values?

Alexandra2001 · 10/07/2025 19:32

Yellowshirt · 10/07/2025 19:28

It's very simple. Anyone entering the UK is immediately returned to there home country and barred from the UK for life.

It is not simple at all.

Many countries refuse point blank to take back citizens who have fled their country of origin, then there are countries where we have no transport links with because they are at war.

France refuses to take back migrants or have refused, thank Brexit for that.

Your solutions are simplistic and unworkable.

Happyher · 10/07/2025 19:33

You speak as if we’ve never had an unpopular government before. I can remember right back to the first Wilson government in the 60’s and I can’t remember any of them being popular. Have you forgotten the last decade??

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/07/2025 19:37

xanthomelana · 10/07/2025 19:04

I don’t understand how you can truly say how many people are entering the country illegally when even the government website with the figures acknowledges that the numbers are only the ones they have caught.

Because I'm talking about asylum seekers.