To wonder if there'll be a revolt?

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In the country that's stretched to its limits, today it was announced that Keir has agreed with Mr Macron that just 50 illegal migrants per week will be sent away.

I know so many people are totally fed up with the state of the country.

Will there be protests?

Ugh - can’t be repeating everything I’ve said previously on immigration but I will re say that it won’t stop, in fact it will increase with more wars, climate issues. This needs to be accepted and worked with; we take the benefits of globalisation in our stride, we should accept there are responsibilities too and work together to help all humans have a safe life.
One thing I’ve not said before is that I moved and am near several hotels now, that took me months to realise they home asylum seekers, there is none of this stuff that I read about happening here. It’s a minority that is blown out of all proportion to keep us looking to blame only in one direction. Tbh I probably wouldn’t feel that happy with the U.K. when someone tried to burn me alive in a hotel - oh that’s just a one off I hear it said, yes and so are these occasional incidents with migrants - I cannot get over that setting others alight was ever thought a reasonable rational angry response - it’s not helping improve relations here and we must look to do that urgently.

To clarify, I have no issue at all with controlled immigration; nor do I have any problem at all with refugees being dispersed to safe countries (including the UK), based on their own preferences, any existing links they may have with their desired country and a fair shouldering of the incomer numbers between safe countries, allowing for capacity and practicality.

It's the small boats as a means of getting there/here that are the elephant in the room.

There are currently around half a million French people living in London. They were already residents of one of the very best countries in the world to live, but they preferred to live in the UK for however long - fine.

They used various official means to apply/qualify and to get here - and are now integrated, valued members of the community. None of them arrived unannounced in a small boat on a south-coast beach and just expected to be welcomed.

We can discuss it all we like, a lot of the rhetoric spouted by the right doesn’t work in the real world, or would seriously disadvantage the UK even further.

It’s the Brexit argument all over again. As has become abundantly clear, shutting the door on cooperation harms the UK more than it helps. We’ve got to work with our allies as it’s a global issue. We cannot afford to take an isolationist stance.

Well as you can see people won’t revolt and others are feeling very generous with the billions they do not have or belong to other people. This country is done, nothing will save it now. People would have to accept what it has been happening as the norm. Less resources, more poverty and useless people in government from all sides.
I for example do not feel like working to pay for the problems of those people coming here. I never invaded their countries or started wars so I will look after my family and leave while I can. Have been paying a lot in taxes already and for the high crime had to enrol my children in private school that I can’t longer afford.

Once a week I do an early evening activity in the city centre. There are all sorts of people around, two of the stand out groups are:

1.Group(s) of dark skinned young men who work as delivery bicycle riders. They chat, sometimes play music in own language(s) & use (probably) illegally modified bicycles. Sober and eager for work. I worry about their illegal too-fast bikes hitting someone (but I haven't seen it happen). One time I helped one of them (very polite, terrible English language skills) find an address.

2.Group(s) of seemingly entirely indigenous people of all ages/sexes. They are white, have English accents, drink, shout, generally are vulgar, some obviously mentally ill, heavily tattoo'd, some falling down drunk or ranting. Very fluent in English albeit slurred and full of rude words. One time one of them had blood streaming down his face, we gently encouraged his mates to get the bleeder to a walk in centre and otherwise encouraged them both to walk away from us before the people who gave him a kicking came back.

I'd like to have lots more "illegal" delivery drivers and lots fewer local home-grown underclass. But we don't get what we want. Can I revolt in protest against the home-grown scary people?

Also, where in the world are people still reproducing at high rates? Well those children won’t stop coming here so demographics will keep changing until they are predominantly the ones here. Which means culturally we will have to adapt to them not the other way around.

The problem with your sentiment is that unfortunately, with open borders you cannot have a successful welfare system. The two just can’t work. We’re seeing that now with the cuts. We don’t have enough money to keep funding the state.

People will protest at the ballot box when we have the next election and the other parties only have themselves to blame if Reform win.

Greece has recently banned all asylum seekers and said anyone entering the country will be arrested and detained, they have used this tactic before successfully and know it works. At least some countries have common sense and realise there has to be a limit but I feel this is bad news for the UK because it will make coming here even more appealing. If this government really wanted to stop the boats and smash the gangs they could use the same tactics as Greece but they don’t care because it’s not impacting them or their communities they live in.

At what point in my comment was I spouting right wing rhetoric or taking an isolationist stance?

I was replying to the posters who don’t seem to realize that the rich they despise are also exploiting the immigrant crisis.

Working together - Europe are closing or significantly tightening controls on their borders due to this disaster. Poland have, Austria, Italy and now even Germany. Macron came to the UK and told us categorically that our welfare system needs to be stopped as it’s a pull factor for the boats and France are sick of maintaining the border for us.

You cannot have the comforts of the western world and invite the global world into it. It just won’t work.

I was surprised to read this, so googled and they will do this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2nx0ey7wyo.amp

Good for them. They can’t sustain a 350% increase of people arriving in their country.

White genocide? Is that you Grok?

There should be. But I doubt it’ll happen.

Macron didn’t say that the benefits system for asylum seekers was too generous. the French and British systems are similar. He critised the lack of legal routes to the UK for claiming asylum. He also said that because the black economy in the UK is so vibrant basically it acts as a pull factor for illegal immigration (which is different to people who claim asylum)

I can't see many MNers starting a riot or revolt, whatever the weather, but in any event those talking about revolting due to HMG policy on immigration or wealth are in danger of thinking far too long term

The more immediate problem is getting caught up in unrest caused by other groups and there's at least one potential source for civil unrest going through the courts ATM.

And then what?

Where are the solutions? If it's so easy?

And if we got rid of all immigrants what then? Who'd be our next target?

I do completely understand it. We have properties in a few places and the only one that feels like it is a proper school British community is the villa down in the Algarve. Even then post brexit more and more properties are being sold off to foreigners.

They have temporarily suspended hearings for those arriving on boat from Libya which is different to banning all asylum seekers,

Ultimately this would reduce the numbers arriving to the UK. There are just a handful of asylum routes into Europe. Historically we can see when one shuts down the numbers temporarily reduce until another one opens. Also the numbers depend largely on what’s going on in the world and lots of people are fleeing conflict and poverty right now.

Surely people from Libya would arrive another way, just not to Greece

Loving your humour.

Well it’s started in Ireland

Half true.

“The Telegraph understands that Mr Macron wants Sir Keir to crack down on the UK’s black market for labour and welfare payments and make family reunification for genuine asylum seekers easier as conditions for the deal.

An Elysée source warned that Mr Macron expected measures “addressing the root causes of the factors that attract people to the United Kingdom”, adding: “These causes must also be addressed by the British.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/08/emmanuel-macron-blames-keir-starmer-migrant-crisis/

Either way you slice it or get pedantic, this is an issue that can’t be ignored for the sake of being kind. The black economy is a plight on Britain.

Oh don’t be so ridiculous.

Not quite how you’ve framed it but if the U.K. did ever get it together to secure borders it’d just never vote out the policy, and no party would run on changing it. See Aus.

Unlike the pp pretty much no one tries to shop around going there unless a citizen or visa.