To wonder if there'll be a revolt?

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In the country that's stretched to its limits, today it was announced that Keir has agreed with Mr Macron that just 50 illegal migrants per week will be sent away.

I know so many people are totally fed up with the state of the country.

Will there be protests?

Meanwhile, here’s Starmers voting record.

Analysis for Keir Starmer
Keir Starmer generally voted against (16% aligned) a stricter asylum system.
Comparable Labour MPs almost always voted against (6% aligned).

12 May 2025

Labour voted against the Tories amendments to Labour’s white paper, arguing for a binding cap on migration and to disapply the Human Rights Act in immigration cases.

Nudge.

The government is failing us.

What would that entail?

The tide is turning. A couple of years ago it would have been unthinkable having a mainstream publication questioning this.

https://x.com/TheEconomist/status/1943294319667953817

So many people on here saying “blame the boats to avoid blaming the rich”
why do we have a batshit way of thinking in the UK, that if you have made a success of your life you should be punished ? This is why we are in such a shit state. Too many dependents on the state and the people paying tax for them are also being hated. It’s mental.

That is some headline. I’ve said it for a while, it’s not doable. Interesting to see it there.

Agree, mn in particular is so strong on this

The French/EU have no desire to deal with this problem. No matter how much money we stupidly throw at them.

The EU have caused this problem in the first place as illegal migrants are freely allowed to wander around the EU in the first place - thanks to the borderless Schengen Area.

Illegal Migrants can enter their leaky borders and freely wander through Europe until they reach the northern shores of France. They are not challenged at any point, nor have to pass through any border controls.

The UK is suffering the brunt of ineffectual EU wide border controls. If the EU still had border controls between countries, considerably fewer illegals would have been able to reach northern France in the first place.

Yes, the UK is a stupidly soft touch at dealing with Illegals, however the EU has been equally useless at maintaining effective border controls.

Take a trip to France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece et al and see for yourselves the impact this type of unfettered migration has taken on these countries. Very eye opening and much worse than anything you will see in Britain. I am surprised they are not rioting in the streets.

No-one suggests you should be punished for being rich. The point is that the rich should be required to contribute in the same proportions as everyone else, i.e. no tax dodges. Arguably there should be extra tax on luxury goods and services that are detrimental to the planet.

Ha ha Since when has a Govt listened to the opposition??? or is Badenoch partly to blame for Starmers woes???

No the disaster that has been the last 14 years of the Tories, is down to them.

& you know it as does everyone else, hence their truly dire showing in the polls.

I see Reform has lost support in latest polling.

The French/EU have no desire to deal with this problem. No matter how much money we stupidly throw at them

France doesn't want to be a target for migrants to head too, that is just a gain for the Le Pen and RN.

The EU have caused this problem in the first place as illegal migrants are freely allowed to wander around the EU in the first place - thanks to the borderless Schengen Area

Really? having a border hasn't helped the UK has it....

Yes, we need to be having these kinds of conversations, and they shouldn’t be controversial.

The majority of immigrants to the UK come in by air and a visa, not via small boats and asylum claims! Although the press would like you to believe differently.

The asylum and immigration systems do need to be separate. The approach to sheltering people from harm in line with our international obligations and the needs of these people, are very different to foreign nationals coming to work, set up businesses and study.

Efforts to settle people claiming asylum closer to their home countries rely on the cooperation of those countries. And yet more cuts are being pushed through via the latest reorganisation at the Foreign Office. The thinking is not joined up. Frustrating.

We had one here in NI a few weeks ago.

Deadhead knuckledraggers organised by one side of our wonderfully split country still run by paramilitaries, burnt the homes of "forrin" people.

"Alllowed forriners" were putting flags on their doors not to be burnt out.

A Leisure centre sheltering children and frightened people who had been attacked or were afraid for their lives was set on fire while police looked on.

It started after two Roma boys sexually attacked a local girl.

Homes were burned, roads were burned, riots against police.

Then it rained and they all went home again.

A week or so later a pregnant white woman was killed by her white partner..
.... silence.

Also a 'small boats' effigy for a bonfire
https://metro.co.uk/video/migrants-effigy-set-alight-northern-ireland-police-investigating-hate-crime-3474299/

And it's your kind of post that makes me groan in frustration. How do you think we survived pre massive immigration? Did we run out of people to pay into the system then? Did we run out of care workers and takeaway staff and hospitality workers and nhs staff? If course we didn't, the society ran perfectly well. You've swallowed the lie that we NEED immigration. How do other countries get on around the world that don't import labour - Thailand, Vietnam etc etc? Have they all stopped functioning? Nope, they train up their own citizens to do the work. The reality is you're importing people that take far more out of the system than put in. The pressure on housing, nhs services, schools would be massively reduced without huge numbers. But the government - any party, wants you to believe we couldn't survive without mass immigration. why is that do you think?

But the government - any party, wants you to believe we couldn't survive without mass immigration. why is that do you think?

Why do you think? Share your thoughts and then we can discuss?

Your post replying to pp raises a contrast. The pp wants someone there to look after them when they’re old. Other cultures do this themselves.

As for high immigration it only works if you keep doing it. The people you bring in get old and you’re stuck in a Ponzi scheme.

It just kicks the issue to the next generation which will find it harder to resolve.

I don’t agree with riots but to mock those who are angry foreign men raped a native British child isn’t great optics. Women and girls are often sacrifices on the altar of diversity.

We have high rates of femicide and rape so why would you import more of it? And if you do accidentally let someone in who commits a heinous crime, why are the majority allowed to stay? It baffles the mind.

edit - image under review but based on available data

Per Capita Comparison:
• Foreign nationals: 4.6 / 10,000 = 0.046%.
• Native British: 2.66 / 10,000 = 0.0266%.
• Foreign nationals are ~71% more likely to be convicted of sexual offenses per capita (0.046% vs. 0.0266%).

Because our economy is based on GDP growth not GDP per capita. Importing people gives us a tiny percentage uplift whilst the GDP per capita is plummeting.

Politician’s are stuck in this never ending cycle of import import import to make dashboard go green. Whilst public services, job market, house market and productivity take a battering.

If we take feelings out of it, this is quite poignant.

Stats around social housing, welfare and other markers are now starting to show that immigration is a net drain now as opposed to a benefit. One number that I always remember is London social housing is taken by 47% foreigners. Crazy.

Fact check: Foreign-born people, not necessarily foreigners, occupy 48% of London’s social housing | Reuters https://share.google/LO2aWBTabKsP9WnM9

And this is good/ ok/bad? What point are you trying to prove with your stat?

We had a foreign born person occupying the most prestigious social housing address in the U.K. from July 2019 to September 2022.