To wonder if there'll be a revolt?

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In the country that's stretched to its limits, today it was announced that Keir has agreed with Mr Macron that just 50 illegal migrants per week will be sent away.

I know so many people are totally fed up with the state of the country.

Will there be protests?

I'm actually willing to give it a chance but worry about legal challenges from those due to be sent back to France. Will the one out be on the plane before we take one in?

Do you mean it’ll work in the pilot or if 100% do it

Oh great...another racist boat thread started by people who prob think they are not racist.
The Tories created a hostilr environment for all...not just the boat people.

And health tourism

The French are duplicitous, Starmer is weak - Micron sees that, and it will be beset by legal challenges within the UK, and ratification issues within the EU.

That’s my honest prediction.

What a relief that there's a grown-up in the room.

Surely ‘smash the gangs’ is a quick soundbite or did you mean other grown ups?

Who is the grown up?

I don’t think you can have a very effective legal challenge being returned to another safe country ie France! The point about Rwanda was it never worked legally because it was never a safe place legally.

There aren’t that many ideas on immigration- this one has been hanging around for a while. And it looks lawful. The UK does not have to account for what happens to failed asylum seekers in France. I assume that the French may like it too because they can use that decision themselves substantially and then use Dublin to remove them to elsewhere in the EU. The UK has just created an asylum safe route processed in France. It has a lot to do on immigration enforcement in the meantime on business and landlords who are making illicit money as well as the criminals that bring them in. Costly.

@ExtraOnions - notably the Greeks are also deciding to pursue a much tougher policy on asylum seekers

www.tovima.com/politics/greece-imposes-asylum-freeze-and-tough-migrant-detention-rules/amp/

How is it racist to want our borders under control and basics like taxes spent wisely?

It’s not racist. We have increasing problems with an illicit economy that is not paying tax and some of the migration we have is supporting serious crime. You can be moral and accept a case for asylum; but not in the way we have done which is expensive and ineffective. I hope this works. It’s certainly better than anything else that’s been put forward so far because it might actually not break our own law

We will allow someone to come here but are we not doing that now ?

But these men are apparently escaping due to danger happening there and then. People have been threatened by the regimes there, and in fear of their lives. Once the leaders in these countries realise the person they want to kill or imprison has escaped the country, what do you think they’re going to do to their families?? They’re not going to hang around waiting the years it takes for the escapee to get permanent residency in the UK are they? They’ll just kill them/wipe them out in revenge.

I disagree you don't leave a truly dangerous country without your family.
And then you wouldn't then have them travel to you alone on this perilous route.

Just seen on the news gun fire in the camps.

French police no where to get seen watching boats leave.

Are you happy with all these single men from Syria and Iran coming in on the boats settling here? Because I’m not. And many others aren’t either. No skills. Can’t speak our language. We’ve no idea who they are - most terrorists originate from Syria and Iran. In years to come people will look back on this with horror, that it was allowed to happen. But then it will be too late. The damage will have been done.

They'll stop coming soon when we've gone bankrupt

‘Smash the gangs’ was never going to work. For every gang ‘smashed’, another gang will take their place. It’s lucrative business for the criminals, so you’re going to get a queue of people eagerly waiting their turn. Just an idea put out there by Starmer to make us think he’s doing something, when the reality is he really doesn’t give a toss about immigration.

I'm the only black girl in the village. We don't want them in our community either. These men are nothing like my grandparents generation, who built this country. They are nothing like my 2nd gen West African friends, either.

They do not respect you. Many of them despise your way of life.

Middle class white English women are generally pretty clueless, you're sheltered and have no concept of tribalism. These men are DANGEROUS. Most will disappear underground, join drug cartels, traffick, and form exploitative 'relationships' with local vulnerable women.

These men cannot be assimilated. Even the 'young' ones are already steeped in the culture of their fathers. They are also usually very low IQ, and unskilled, so we really don't need them from a logistic point of view.

In Africa they have a name for what you are doing - suicidal empathy. It is a curiously white/Caucasian phenomenon. No other culture does this.

Lucky for me I have my beautiful 🇦🇬 to escape to These men will not be a boon to British society, as your daughters will soon discover.

There was a woman in 1980 who came for health tourism to have her child born in the UK instead of Nigeria.

Her daughter- Kemi Badenoch.

I'm often the only white person on the public transport I use. Not necessarily a bad thing. Communities change and new people settle there, but with the uprise in immigration in my area, there has been increased anti social behaviour. I had to pick up a prescription recently from an area that has a mix of nationalities but very few British and I was stared at. It was fine, but I was a bit hmmm. I wondered if my dress was tucked into my knickers!

One man who was an immigrant in my neighbourhood followed people and one night was walking around brandishing a weapon. I've not seen him since. From that same household, another man followed me home late one night and would not take no for an answer until I started to phone the police. It's the same with men from different cultures that are very offended when rebuked. I'm old and fat now but they still try. Different cultures and all that, but I shouldn't have to feel uncomfortable. I also feel like my local area has lost its identity and roots with the influx of immigrants.

I also know a handful of people who were granted the right to stay, but refused to work even though they were able to.

You're assuming all asylum seekers are Black and brown. Incorrect. Why do you want to shoe horn racism into it, other than to ( unsuccessfully) try and shut down discussion.? Anything more constructive you'd like to add?

They are left in camps in neighbouring countries: most of the time people will go to a neighbouring country, live in a camp there, life will be fairly intolerable and sometimes the men will attempt what is a very dangerous journey to come to Europe. If they are able to claim asylum; their family can apply to come live with them and they can get approved before they arrive and come safely on a plane like everyone else on a visa.

So that’s why men often arrive before their families.

again most of the time, people will first travel to the nearest “safe” country. For example Iran - which has one of the highest numbers of asylum seekers in the world.mostly from Afghanistan. They will then leave their family there while they attempt the dangerous journey to Europe. Hoping ultimately to be united with them again.

There are also young men with no wife or children who just feel like they have nothing to lose.

And this is exactly why the whole system is a complete joke. Of course they're going to ' risk their lives' making the crossing when they know the UK is the soft touch, bleeding heart liberal nation, and will readily accept them and allow them to bring the entire family across once processed! We're effectively not accepting just one asylum seeker, but 10 of their relatives. Times that by 10,000 that's an awful lot of people added to this groaning tiny island.Trust me, if you're genuinely fleeing for your life from persecution you will be thanking your lucky stars you made it to safe ground, even if it's just a tent in an encampment and not be cooking up a scheme to climb into a rubber dingy. It's purely economic migration.