To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

[Calmorchaos]

I’m after some advice really on how to approach this.

I have always been the type of person to support anyone to be who they are. I’ve never shied away or shielded my children from the world - very much a ‘love is love’ person and always encouraged my children to support those who need it and be inclusive ( in terms of people being bullied , disabilities etc too ) .

My youngest is going into high school ( 11 ) . Over the past few months I’ve noticed a few comments such as “ there are 2 genders “ , “ I don’t support LGBTQ “ . I’ve addressed this in the moment . But recently he found out his new school has an LGBTQ assembly on a monthly basis and he has started saying he doesn’t want to go because “ he doesn’t support it” . I sat down and had a chat with him , I explained to him that it isn’t really his place to choose to not agree with it - it’s not a choice , i explained it as he could say he doesn’t agree with people eating meat as that is a choice he would be making , but someone’s sexuality is their feelings and not a choice.

I am sure comments will allow me to explain more how the conversation went from my side so I won’t drag this post on with that but his comments were unnerving :

• he believes someone chooses to be gay , they can control it but they choose it
• we can choose who we fall in love with
• if a friend of his told him he was gay he would still be friends with them but not as good because they chose to be gay and he doesn’t support it.

I know he is very young and he doesn’t understand and has things to learn. He is the sweetest boy and the way he said these things sounded scripted as though he has heard others say this . I know he is a child and it’s my job that guide him and that’s the advice I’m asking for , how do I address this? I’m not saying I need him to go around advocating I just don’t want these views becoming ingrained and he becomes the reason another student who is struggling, struggles more. I know I may be overreacting but this age and as the years go on is a time that he can be heavily influenced . He’s a quiet, sweet boy and I do believe he could be heavily influenced.

Another concerning thing is that when I asked him where he had heard all this and where it comes from he said his Dad .

You need to ask him if he fancies girls? If he says yes, ask him if he chose to do that? Or if it came naturally to him?

Then you can try and show him that if hetero isn't a choice, then neither is gay or bi.

Having said that, I don't really see why all kids needs a LGBTQ assembly on a regular basis though. Surely they teach acceptance of all characteristics across all learning. If the kid isn't gay I don't see why they need to go to assemblies about it frequently.

Why don't you ask them?

I think there is much more evidence to call the BNP a “hate group” than Transgender Trend.

You need to ask him if he fancies girls? If he says yes, ask him if he chose to do that? Or if it came naturally to him?

Hes only 11, I doubt he's in any position to answer that coherently.

I understand that's your opinion.

thank you I will

It is, yes, and objectively less silly than the alternative one.

The tests werent "unspecified", what are you talking about? They were both from IOS labs.

Both tests documented chromosomal abnormality and heightened testosterone production associated with undescended testes and male karyotype - XY.

The documentation from L Path Labs is available, as are the deductions from various developmental biologists, and 5ARD is the culprit.

"Raised as a woman" makes no difference, a dog raised as a cat is not a cat.

He was aware of the results, his trainer confirmed it in interview, he knew he was a man, and he took the opportunity to assault women knowing he wasnt one.

Its not "discriminatory" to view a male who competes in a female category as a cheat, and one who will deliberately put women in harms way if it guarantees him medals and financial success.

The fact that you support it is pitiable.

Hate groups dont get the British Empire medal.

He is allowed to think what he thinks.

Well said.

I meant unspecified in the sense that the details of the tests and their results were not known the public (as they should not be given they are very personal medical tests). If this has changed I stand corrected, but previously this was speculation.

Legal sex since birth is 100% relevant , and the fact that you don't see that demonstrates discriminatory attitudes towards people with DSDs. Just because a person with a DSD is aware of their diagnosis/ sex variation does not mean that they share your understanding of its meaning or consequences, nor are they required to do so by justice, law, the rules of sport, or otherwise.

This boxer did not 'assault' anyone, they are a professional athlete with a DSD who participated in a sporting competition as they were allowed to do under the rules of that competition.

I don't know. It's not really about whether he definitely does or not. It's about challenging the idea that sexual orientation is a choice?
At 11 most people do fancy someone...not that it's bad if they don't.

I think asking an 11 year old to reflect on complex and confusing feelings they're having, to draw conclusions on other people's totally different feelings is a pointless and potentially counterproductive task.

At 16, this conversation could be helpful. At 11, I'd conclude they have some maturing to do before they're ready to understand and drop it.

YABVVVVVU Of course he has a choice whether to support it or not. What he doesn’t have a choice in, is verbally stating to members of LGBTQ+++++ that he doesn’t support it. He can choose to support/not support whatever he wishes. Stop trying to imprint your own views onto him. Good for him for having his own beliefs.

Maybe. I was just trying to see how they could make them see it's not a choice.

I totally agree with the approach, but I can't see it being effective until they're older.

'good for him'. For holding homophobic attitudes? Really?

He's allowed to dislike it if he wants to. Maybe people of various faiths disagree with the LGBTQ.

But as a person in society he may dislike something and think it's immoral but be can still treat them with respect

Yes he's 'allowed' to be privately homophobic. Windows into souls and all that.
But 'good for him' that he holds such discriminatory attitudes towards other people?

Ok, why don’t you go and have a look at those websites and bring back your examples of ‘transphobic hate’?

Then you can actually demonstrate that you are not just making baseless and potentially defamatory smears

@BundleBoogie

Regardless, however, it's not really the point.

That’s not what I said and you know it! We’re all permitted to have our own thoughts and views. Like it or not, you cannot police that!

I mean genuine homophobia is a hatred towards those that are gay.

It's fine to be morally against what they do as long as you treat them with dignity and respect.

Thank you for your apology but it helps if you read what I actually said.

I categorically didn’t express the opinion that you attribute to me.

And as I pointed out, the first link I provided was of the NEU - a teaching union that is on the side of gender ideology. Showing directly their instructions to schools about ‘pronoun usage’ and compelling the speech of other students. Assemblies for the ‘trans’ kid to announce their new identity, removal of single sex groups where possible and misrepresentation of the law and schools PSED duty.

I had been responding to @Slightyamusedandsilly who didn’t believe that schools have had the bandwidth to do this stuff. I can confirm from personal experience, they do. Also look at reports from schools in Brighton - they seem to have plenty of resources to do this stuff as well as schools throughout the country having collectively many thousands of ££ to spend on Stonewall membership and many other external orgs like the Proud Trust, No Outsiders etc - all determined to push gender ideology and further the homophobic premise that gender identity is secondary to biological sex.

As for accusing me of spreading those links for ‘online radicalisation’ - I note you haven’t apologised for that.

That is both an unwarranted personal attack on me and an attack on the NEU, Safe Schools Alliance, Transgender Trend (referring to the clear element of social contagion observed, especially among girls - and reported by concerned parents on here) and Care.org.

I suggest everybody have a read of those sites and make up their own minds.