To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

[Calmorchaos]

I’m after some advice really on how to approach this.

I have always been the type of person to support anyone to be who they are. I’ve never shied away or shielded my children from the world - very much a ‘love is love’ person and always encouraged my children to support those who need it and be inclusive ( in terms of people being bullied , disabilities etc too ) .

My youngest is going into high school ( 11 ) . Over the past few months I’ve noticed a few comments such as “ there are 2 genders “ , “ I don’t support LGBTQ “ . I’ve addressed this in the moment . But recently he found out his new school has an LGBTQ assembly on a monthly basis and he has started saying he doesn’t want to go because “ he doesn’t support it” . I sat down and had a chat with him , I explained to him that it isn’t really his place to choose to not agree with it - it’s not a choice , i explained it as he could say he doesn’t agree with people eating meat as that is a choice he would be making , but someone’s sexuality is their feelings and not a choice.

I am sure comments will allow me to explain more how the conversation went from my side so I won’t drag this post on with that but his comments were unnerving :

• he believes someone chooses to be gay , they can control it but they choose it
• we can choose who we fall in love with
• if a friend of his told him he was gay he would still be friends with them but not as good because they chose to be gay and he doesn’t support it.

I know he is very young and he doesn’t understand and has things to learn. He is the sweetest boy and the way he said these things sounded scripted as though he has heard others say this . I know he is a child and it’s my job that guide him and that’s the advice I’m asking for , how do I address this? I’m not saying I need him to go around advocating I just don’t want these views becoming ingrained and he becomes the reason another student who is struggling, struggles more. I know I may be overreacting but this age and as the years go on is a time that he can be heavily influenced . He’s a quiet, sweet boy and I do believe he could be heavily influenced.

Another concerning thing is that when I asked him where he had heard all this and where it comes from he said his Dad .

Has anyone been ‘debating the merits of T as an ideology’? Your point paraphrases quite well and appears to agree with I’ve been saying short of taking the next step to look at the obvious source.

OPs son has clearly been listening at school, he has been told true stuff (LGB) by his school which they have then contradicted with false stuff (gender ideology) which a) directly undermines his understanding of LGB and b) causes him to lose faith in all they are telling him. Conversations with his mum appear not to have clarified anything.

I’d be interested to understand how some people on this thread are differentiating one homophobic line of thinking (paraphrasing Andrew Tate - gay attraction is ‘yuck’, lesbians are hot but the ‘right man’ could turn them, it’s not gay for a man to sleep with a man who identifies as a woman) with the gender ideology homophobia which starts with ‘it’s not gay for a man to sleep with another man as long as one identifies as a woman‘ and moves onto ‘lesbians are hot and just haven’t found the right man that identifies as a lesbian (or as they put it so delightfully ‘girlcock’).

It sounds like we should not only get the influence of misogynists like Andrew Tate away from kids but the ideology around TQ+ out of schools.

If I had more time and it was worth it I would respond to all this rubbish, but I don't and it's not. I encourage you to read, research and reflect.

No you wouldn't, because you know you're talking nonsense 😂😂😂

Too logical. So many variants.

But of course, labelling it a disorder means binary-rules-ok. Just like homosexuality used to be a disorder.

That's got absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Sex IS binary. No genuine biologist disputes that.

And yet there are literally millions of articles, essay, writings by biologists (who you probably reject for a whole variety of reasons) who do not hold that belief.

Show me a established biologist who says that sex is not binary

As we keep asking, what is the name of a third or fourth sex? What gamete are their bodies set up to produce?

Oh bless you. I did read, research and reflect - that’s how I know the facts 😃

Maybe you could try it one day.

Btw, are you disputing that our chromosomes are in every cell of our body? Because that’s the starting point - everything else flows from that.

There are bodies that are set up to produce small gametes (sperm) and bodies that are set up to produce large gametes (eggs).

There are no spergs or eggsps.

Sir Robert Winston - eminently and extensively qualified to comment on this (you do know his area of expertise?) has confirmed for the gullible or politically motivated that there are indeed only 2 sexes.

No what I’m disputing is that sex development can be reduced to chromosomes. It can’t. Sex is a multidimensional developmental process. This is a scientific/ biological reality.

That “multidimensional developmental process” is determined by one’s genetic makeup up you fool! 🤣

People born with a DSD are either male or female, not some arbitrary ‘other’.

Intersex is a small minority and a medical/genetic issue.

I strongly believe you're born a man or a woman and that's it

you fool!

excuse you?

sex development starts with chromosomes but it isn’t in fact simply “determined “ by them at all- there are multiple other factors along the process - genes, the way the body produces and responds to hormones , etc.

What is an LGBTQ assembly? And why is it even a thing in schools, surely covering these topics in SPHE classes is enough without a whole assembly for the school, every month? An LGBTQ club to promote inclusivity, maybe, if the school runs other clubs... What do they even do at these assemblies?

Some schools use them to incentivise by celebration of ‘transing’ kids - (extremely bizarre - they don’t ‘celebrate’ any other kids with a life changing condition that requires heavy duty medication and possibly surgery like cancer for example).

Some have reported that the special group of ‘trans’ kids are very difficult to deal with behaviour wise as they just complain of transphobia at any attempt to impose rules so they sometimes get left to it.

I imagine many schools are attempting to backtrack on this but at the height of Stonewalls influence in schools there were quite a few instances reported. There were also the secret Drag Queen appearances - deliberately hidden from parents - where children (adults) are conditioned into accepting ‘queer’ principles including gender ideology. It’s all ‘inclusive’ dontcha know.

Statistically there are more intersex people than there are trans people. So yes a small minority but not as small as the trans community.

You can strongly believe that as much as you want. But it doesn’t make it fact. Whatever you think about trans people, intersex people exist outside of the sex/gender binary.

'Some schools use them to incentivise by celebration of ‘transing’ kids - (extremely bizarre - they don’t ‘celebrate’ any other kids with a life changing condition that requires heavy duty medication and possibly surgery like cancer for example).'

🙄🙄🙄

If you think schools have the time or the band width to do this, you're very inexperienced about secondary education and the pressures its under.

Your son is correct, there are biologically 2 genders.

Lots of people don't support LGBTQ movement, it's good to be aware of what it is but nobody has to pretend men can turn into women and vice versa if they disagree.
Nobody should accept gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage, or that it's ok for gay men to use surrogates to have children, if that's against their beliefs.

Right. Yet when it comes to trans people we’re supposed to believe that they’re such problem that they are destroying society as we known it. But when it comes to people with DSDs it’s all - oh it’s such a tiny and insignificant minority of people: nothing to see here!

“Nobody should accept gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage, or that it's ok for gay men to use surrogates to have children, if that's against their beliefs.”

I beg your pardon. Gay marriage is no different to any other marriage and everybody needs to accept it in the same way everybody needs to accept that racism is wrong.

DSD conditions affect approximately 0.018% of the population whereas 0.5% of the UK identified as trans in the UK at the last census so its the other way round

.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

There's no consensus on that prevalence figure as you well know, it's one scientist's opinion in response to another who estimated the prevalence about 100 times higher.