Michael Jackson was a paedophile. Why does the local school choose one of his songs for the kids to perform to?

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I also have a friend whose little boy has learnt all his moves and she puts MJ on for him to dance to.

I don’t understand, hearing his music makes me feel sick.

Exactly, Eric Gill was a really nasty piece of work, yet his typeface is widely used as is the London Underground typeface that he assisted in the design of.

And Fanta, everyones favourite orange soft drink was a Nazi creation due to a shortage of Coca Cola.

Even Zyklon B didn't get a name change until 1979 when it was re named Cyanosil. An advert from its makers in '78 proudly showed technicians clad in gas masks and white suits opening cans of Zyklon in Notre Dame to eradicate a woodworm infestation.

Then of course there is the huge number of pharmaceuticals that got accelerated testing in the death camps and are now medical staples.

With respect to MJ, he was never convicted, he was a musical genius, and is dead, you have to disconnect the music from the man.

It used to be common to marry at 12 ...

Knowing what you know about him now, would you let your 7 year old child spend the night with the "eccentric" Michael Jackson?

And for people above asking "where do you draw the line"? I would say anyone who has victims who are still alive and suffering is a pretty good place to start.

I find it more baffling when people think he was innocent. To me it makes no difference he wasn't convicted. The evidence and the documentary was enough for me. He was a pedophile.

Winston Churchill was trenchantly opposed to ANY woman being allowed to vote for MPs.

And yet millions of women voted for him to be dubbed the greatest statesman that ever lived.

The prophet of a major world religion was very much a paedophile according to current western thinking.

That doesn't stop over a billion people worshipping in his name every day.

Human mores and behaviour evolve over time and across cultures. What was acceptable 1400 or even 40-50 years ago is now seen in a very different light. Some brilliant individuals were often warped or damaged in other ways - especially MJ.

I think the “separate the man from the music” thing is bullshit. Even if he wasn’t convicted (as someone said, one of the richest and well known people in the world) he still acted very creepy and inappropriate. We are in a time when people should face consequences for their crimes and it shouldn’t be ignored or swept under the carpet like in previous times. If there is no public disapproval then what is the deterrent? Someone in any other job would be sacked

There's no cure for people.

A lot of artists are absolute shits in their personal life.

he’s dead. Nothing you do now will have any impact on him.

Yes but it may have an impact on his victims. They should get some respect

I think you have to separate the artist from the behaviour. As realistically, if you don’t, how far do you take it?

You can avoid MJ - fair enough. But what about a band where the eg bassist, or the writer or producer, was convicted of a serious crime? Music produced by Phil Spector is still pretty widespread.

Though having said that, I think LostProphets are probably beyond rehabilitation.

Chris Brown was convicted of beating Rihana. People were queueing to see him the other day

Woody Allen films are still held in high regard

Lovecraft held some vile views but we still enjoy Cthulu stories
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Right but MJ wasent born thousands of years ago was he so i dont.think
we can compare him to people thst were.

So all the fathers who let their children into their beds are doing something wrong?

Oh I forgot, it's only men who are the bad people.

Because the timeline was all over the place and non sensical. It was easily proven that the place where they said they were abused didn't exist at the time, MJ was not even in the country at the time of alleged incident of abuse, and the many other people who were implicated as victims or witnesses haven't supported this version of events. Dates of alleged incidents vs ages of alleged victims don't align. Multiple financial motives and dodgy connections. Its actually quite interesting.

Elvis did the same, grooming a 14 year old

Surely you csn see it's very different a father sleeping in the same bed with his young child
Than some oddball thst isn't related to them,?
Would tou allow your small child to go for sleepovers with a random neighbour becsuse he seemed childlike.?

I think the level of fame is relevant. Savile, Lost Prophets, Rolf Harris and Gary Glitter etc. did not have the international or cultural reach of MJ. Not even close! I was a kid in the 80s and at one point MJ was one of the most famous people in the world. For example, our neighbours hosted a Thriller party when the video was released on TV so everyone could watch it together. It’s hard to explain to anyone that wasn’t there just how ubiquitous he and his music were at the height of his fame. There was no other musician really comparable apart from maybe Elvis. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong but just to give some wider context.

I think it's a valid discussion - is there a statute of limitations on things like this? And where do we draw the line; people actually prosecuted of doing dreadful things? People accused of doing dreadful things without prosecution? People randomly accused of something with no proof (on the 'no smoke without fire' principle?) People who are still alive? People with victims who are still alive? People with victims whose children/grandchildren/people who knew them are still alive?

Are you for real?
there's a massive difference between a parent sharing a bed with their child, and a millionaire man completely emotionally abusing kids and parents, grooming a child he has zero ties too, sleeping in bed with them, abusing them and tossing them aside as soon as they hit puberty. MULTIPLE TIMES. MULTIPLE KIDS. The man was absolutely vile.

I don't believe all this stuff. And actually my then partner knew kids who had been to Neverland as part of bands. They said there was nothing untoward going on, only that he had a deeper voice than youd expect. And as others say, people like Bowie or even Bill Wyman and the stones have obvious relationships with under age but they are revered.

Interesting, but a bit vague. A few discrepancies of time and date wouldn't seem that important to me, especially given how young the alleged victims were at the time. Neither would the fact that some "people who were implicated as victims or witnesses" didn't go along with it. I have an open mind about it all but at this stage it's probably unlikely we'll ever know the truth.

Not on the 1990s it didn't.

How would your partner know ?