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Michael Jackson was a paedophile. Why does the local school choose one of his songs for the kids to perform to?

284 replies

P0d · 05/07/2025 08:36

I also have a friend whose little boy has learnt all his moves and she puts MJ on for him to dance to.

I don’t understand, hearing his music makes me feel sick.

OP posts:
Itallcomesdowntothis · 05/07/2025 09:20

bookworm1982 · 05/07/2025 09:14

What was the other documentary called? Xx

Ah one of them was called ‘Chase the Truth’. I thought it was interesting so good to watch things on balance.

Looks like it was on Amazon and You Tube…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson:_Chase_the_Truth

I like documentaries and found it interesting….given that MJ has died I was looking for some balance based on facts so enjoyed it.

Michael Jackson: Chase the Truth - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson:_Chase_the_Truth

MyCyanReader · 05/07/2025 09:20

P0d · 05/07/2025 08:39

But that child will grow up and realise mummy was making him dance to paedo songs

Well I used to watch Rolf Harris cartoon club...

Separate the music and the person. He was a very talented musician. He was also a weirdo.

Take beef at the parents who LET their kids stay overnight in his bed!

Bridport · 05/07/2025 09:22

For the children the music and dancing is just harmless fun.
By the time they're old enough to understand about Michael Jackson they'll either have forgotten it or will just have happy memories of dancing with their friends. Jackson will just be a long dead old man to them.

KeepCalmAndPretendItIsOnTheLessonPlan · 05/07/2025 09:22

Kimwestonhelpless · 05/07/2025 09:13

@Ponoka7 What have the Who done?

I assume the other pp is referring to Pete Townshend's caution, from Operation Ore, whereby he'd accessed child abuse images as "research" into proving British banks profited from porn sites according to wiki/the citation relates to a Telegraph interview. He had nothing on his computer.
Have not read the case files so not sure how credible the defence was but he accepted the caution nonetheless and was on the sex offenders' list for five years (he admitted his credit card was used for a dodgy site).

x2boys · 05/07/2025 09:23

I watched both the Neverland,Documentaries and beleive them
But even if he wsent a paedophile he was certainly guilty of emotional abuse
He built those young boys up to beleive they were everything to him than dumped then when they hit puberty.

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LemondrizzleShark · 05/07/2025 09:23

Fooshufflewickjbannanapants · 05/07/2025 08:37

He was never convicted of anything legally speaking. Not my cup of tea personally.

Neither was Jimmy Saville…

Ponoka7 · 05/07/2025 09:23

Kimwestonhelpless · 05/07/2025 09:13

@Ponoka7 What have the Who done?

Pete Townshend is a pedophile. He was convicted for having child abuse images and was on the child sex register for five years.
I forgot to put Elvis on the list. If anyone reads about the Beatles they were specifically told to not go near underage girls because it was making other artists less popular. We still listen to Jerry Lee Lewis.

Dummydimmer · 05/07/2025 09:23

MJ was probably a Paedophile. However, his music wasn't. Quite a few classical musicians were Nazis/ Imperialists. Where do you draw the line. ? I still like MJ's music and classical composers who I wouldn't want to spend time with.Back to MJ, I think it's beyond a doubt that the family was dysfunctional and abusive in many ways. You can't judge the music solely by what the person was like "in real life" . E.G. I loved Prince for ages then realised that he had serious flaws. Still wrote some great songs.

Hottchoc · 05/07/2025 09:24

I work in dance, every dance teacher I know uses mj songs. They're great songs!

PopeJoan2 · 05/07/2025 09:25

His impact on culture was so profound and so amazing that it is impossible to erase it from our memories, our hearts. The only thing we can do (and I really try) is to separate the artist from the art.

Also, he wasn’t solely responsible for the brilliance of those albums. Quincy Jones produced Off the Wall and was therefore responsible for its iconic sound. I don’t want to erase Quincy Jones.

However I get where you are coming from, Op. And while I might personally enjoy MJ’s work I don’t think I could create a dance to his work to be performed by young people. That would be rank, I feel. No wonder you felt sick.

Switcher · 05/07/2025 09:25

Pearl clutching is strong this morning!

Figcherry · 05/07/2025 09:25

Gandhi used to sleep with his naked nieces to test his celibacy.

Kimwestonhelpless · 05/07/2025 09:25

KeepCalmAndPretendItIsOnTheLessonPlan · 05/07/2025 09:22

I assume the other pp is referring to Pete Townshend's caution, from Operation Ore, whereby he'd accessed child abuse images as "research" into proving British banks profited from porn sites according to wiki/the citation relates to a Telegraph interview. He had nothing on his computer.
Have not read the case files so not sure how credible the defence was but he accepted the caution nonetheless and was on the sex offenders' list for five years (he admitted his credit card was used for a dodgy site).

Edited

Yeah I thought Pete Townsend but Roger daltrey shouldn't have his name associated by naming the who.
Thanks for replying.

x2boys · 05/07/2025 09:29

NoNameMum · 05/07/2025 09:20

I mean where do we draw the line? It’s an established fact that Elvis dated Priscilla when she was 14 and he was 24.

Absolutely not condoning Elvis and all the other famous musicians that slept with young girls
But some of the boys MJ was allegedly abusing were as young as five.

PopeJoan2 · 05/07/2025 09:29

Ponoka7 · 05/07/2025 09:23

Pete Townshend is a pedophile. He was convicted for having child abuse images and was on the child sex register for five years.
I forgot to put Elvis on the list. If anyone reads about the Beatles they were specifically told to not go near underage girls because it was making other artists less popular. We still listen to Jerry Lee Lewis.

What you say about The Beatles is interesting because people always say that people thought differently about abuse in those days. Your post suggests that isn’t true.

Cheeseplantandcrackers · 05/07/2025 09:30

The Gaurdian had a good article on this last year (not just MJ).

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 05/07/2025 09:32

Steelworks · 05/07/2025 08:54

I don’t quite get why Michael Jackson is so revered nowadays either, although I appreciate his music was superb. Other artists have been demonised for a lot less.

Yes, I know he was never proved guilty, but if you judge his way of life using today’s criteria, then it looked very dodgy.

My own personal little stance on this is I refuse to go to MJ the musical.

If you start judging people based on today's standards then you will quickly find your pool of "acceptable" media is very small indeed...

IcedPurple · 05/07/2025 09:34

People saying the Leaving Neverland allegations were 'debunked' can I ask what they mean by this? Not being goady, I'm genuinely curious. I know they didn't win their case in court, but proving allegations of this nature legally is very difficult. To me the men's stories seemed very compelling but I'm open to evidence to the contrary.

x2boys · 05/07/2025 09:34

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 05/07/2025 09:32

If you start judging people based on today's standards then you will quickly find your pool of "acceptable" media is very small indeed...

I don't think it was ever acceptable to sleep with small children that were not related to you.

Davros · 05/07/2025 09:36

I agree OP. Why is “divorcing the artist from the art” only applied in some instances?

Amberlynnswashcloth · 05/07/2025 09:39

The evidence points to extortion rather than paedophilia.

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 05/07/2025 09:44

K0OLA1D · 05/07/2025 09:09

This is what I mean. Lost prophets is a band that is NEVER played anywhere now. You'd never go to a rock bar and hear a LP song ever again. And they were huge back in the 00s scene

So I didn't believe this could be true

Until I realise I couldn't even remember any Lostprophets songs and they were a big part of me growing up.

But Ian whats-his-name was also convicted and it involved babies which may have had an effect

fatgirlswims · 05/07/2025 09:45

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 05/07/2025 08:45

Perhaps the art is more important than the artist?
I enjoy Wagner's Operas - yet Wagner had appallingly anti-Semitic views.
Everyone uses Gill Sans font - yet Eric Gill was completely amoral and had sex with his daughters and his dog.

It's also not just about art.
Hugo Boss designed the NAZI uniforms for the SS and used forced labour in WW2
Don't even start on VW cars.

What else do you ban?

Edited

Doesn’t adidas have some connection to the nazi party?

Easipeelerie · 05/07/2025 09:46

I think a lot of people here may be playing devil’s advocate. Of course it’s alright to feel discomfort about hearing Michael Jackson’s music played. It’s natural to feel conflicted about it, as you on the one hand enjoy it/it’s redolent of your youth whilst you also know what people have said he was doing in his private time.

boxcutter12 · 05/07/2025 09:47

I find it really jarring when his songs come on eg Radio 2. It's clear that he was a paedophile. I don't want to hear his music. I turn it off when it comes on. It really surprises me that it is routinely played by the BBC.