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Michael Jackson was a paedophile. Why does the local school choose one of his songs for the kids to perform to?

284 replies

P0d · 05/07/2025 08:36

I also have a friend whose little boy has learnt all his moves and she puts MJ on for him to dance to.

I don’t understand, hearing his music makes me feel sick.

OP posts:
PollyBell · 05/07/2025 10:04

So you want teachers to check the backgrounds of everry single artist, musician, sports person, celebrity of any description to check the trial by media of what is acceptable or not, and he was not charged was he?

Whose criteria would make them acceptable, would it be by committee, smoke signals, drawing straws?

ConnieHeart · 05/07/2025 10:06

P0d · 05/07/2025 08:39

But that child will grow up and realise mummy was making him dance to paedo songs

Making him???

AInightingale · 05/07/2025 10:06

Did Elvis 'groom' Priscilla? Was he dodgy, should we not listen to his music?
David Bowie had sex with underage girls.
The Rolling Stones records have Bill Wyman on them.
Unfortunately predatory and exploitative male behaviour has only recently been called out, the history of music and most other fields is littered with examples of it.

P0d · 05/07/2025 10:07

PollyBell · 05/07/2025 10:04

So you want teachers to check the backgrounds of everry single artist, musician, sports person, celebrity of any description to check the trial by media of what is acceptable or not, and he was not charged was he?

Whose criteria would make them acceptable, would it be by committee, smoke signals, drawing straws?

I don’t think a lot of checks need to be made for this one. Everyone knows

OP posts:
x2boys · 05/07/2025 10:07

PollyBell · 05/07/2025 10:04

So you want teachers to check the backgrounds of everry single artist, musician, sports person, celebrity of any description to check the trial by media of what is acceptable or not, and he was not charged was he?

Whose criteria would make them acceptable, would it be by committee, smoke signals, drawing straws?

MJ wssent just any musician was he ?
He was a superstar known across the world not only for music but for his contentious and Frankly weird behaviour.

Hanovercrosse · 05/07/2025 10:08

You’re being ridiculous
We did Thriller at mine because the dance routine is incredible

SquirrelMadness · 05/07/2025 10:10

I haven't read the full thread yet and I'm not sure I want to, I find it very upsetting when people are determined not to believe he was a paedophile.

I totally agree with you OP, it's incredibly inappropriate. I don't like hearing his music at all as it makes me think of all the little boys he damaged irreparably. I'd find it really disturbing to see children dancing to his music. There are so many other artists they could choose. I think I would complain.

If people want to listen to his music in private, fine. But not everyone can separate the music from the paedophile that produced it. Don't force other people to listen to it in public.

AbsoluteBeginner1 · 05/07/2025 10:11

x2boys · 05/07/2025 10:03

How would your partner know ?

His friends went as part of bands. They told him

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 05/07/2025 10:13

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 05/07/2025 09:55

Chris Brown was convicted of beating Rihana. People were queueing to see him the other day

Woody Allen films are still held in high regard

Lovecraft held some vile views but we still enjoy Cthulu stories
.

I was going to mention Chris Brown. I couldn't believe the amount of women who were posting online about being at his concert but it's fine to overlook the fact his is a convicted DV abuser because of his "artistry" apparently. No doubt they'll also be in the crowd for Diddys 2047 comeback tour 🙄.

I'd also bung Roman Polanski in with Woody Allen. I do sympathise to some degree that he suffered an appallingly tragic loss. But sadly so do many, many other people and it does not give anyone carte blanche to abuse a child.

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 10:14

I like some MJ songs. I don’t have a view on MJ himself as I never met him nor stopped to consider the evidence of his alleged paedophilia. I would have no issue at all with my kids listening to or dancing to his music. Even if he was a paedophile I still wouldn’t.

Tealpins · 05/07/2025 10:15

I find a huge statue of MJ outside the musical about him in TCR absolutely mad. But also exactly consistent with how this culture deals with those men who abuse kids.

People knew about Saville. We all knew about MJ - sleeping with little boys! Really? Men walk away from court after multiple convictions for paying for images of children being abused. Men dont get arrested for viewing this stuff relentlessly - because we decide collectively that it's too hard to stop.

Every now and again there's a scandal or an unappealing man who gets turned against but by and large we accept it. And the giant statute of MJ is just a large fibreglass embodiment of our culture forgiving men, giving them the benefit of the doubt and generally being on their side rather than innocent children. It's par for the course. Not anomalous but how we are.

PlumLemur · 05/07/2025 10:15

P0d · 05/07/2025 10:07

I don’t think a lot of checks need to be made for this one. Everyone knows

I’d recommend you look at all the culture you enjoy - the art, music and books - and do a thorough background check into all of it.

I think you will find your life extremely empty afterwards.

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 10:16

The first line of the first song on the first Beatles album references the physical attractiveness of a female under 18 years of age. Where do we draw the line? Should I go and burn Beatles records outside Paul McCartney’s house?

x2boys · 05/07/2025 10:17

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 10:16

The first line of the first song on the first Beatles album references the physical attractiveness of a female under 18 years of age. Where do we draw the line? Should I go and burn Beatles records outside Paul McCartney’s house?

An under 18 year old isn't really comparable to a five year old is it?

Katemax82 · 05/07/2025 10:18

Fooshufflewickjbannanapants · 05/07/2025 08:37

He was never convicted of anything legally speaking. Not my cup of tea personally.

Neither was Jimmy Saville

x2boys · 05/07/2025 10:18

AbsoluteBeginner1 · 05/07/2025 10:11

His friends went as part of bands. They told him

I assume they were not in MJ,s bedroom so how would they know?

PlumLemur · 05/07/2025 10:18

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 10:16

The first line of the first song on the first Beatles album references the physical attractiveness of a female under 18 years of age. Where do we draw the line? Should I go and burn Beatles records outside Paul McCartney’s house?

Bowie, Rolling Stones, Jerry Lee Lewis, Presley, Anthony Kiedis, even Dylan has been accused….its rife.

What I don’t get, is people will stop listening to Jackson even though he never admitted nor was convicted but they still listen to Aerosmith or Bill Wyman or The Chilli’s even though they openly admitted what they did. Another bunch of people cherry picking what suits them. You can’t support Chris Brown or Anthony Kiedis and hate Jackson.

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 05/07/2025 10:21

I don't think he was a paedo, too many people have been happy to take money for the accusations. However, YANBU, there are many other artists to choose from instead, given there now is a cloud over him

EmeraldShamrock000 · 05/07/2025 10:21

I cannot separate the artist from the act, although never proven.
He put himself in a position that was inappropriate so many times and had severe mh challenges.
I remember my dad and other adults excusing it "As he never had a childhood" plenty of people don't have a healthy childhood.
I'm glad his children are free as adults, they'd a strange childhood.
We'll never know the truth now.

Dutchhouse14 · 05/07/2025 10:23

crumblingschools · 05/07/2025 08:54

I’m assuming people would be up in arms if the school showed an old episode of Jim’ll Fix It to the pupils (he is dead and wasn’t convicted either)

This, ^

People are naive if they think money fame and power doesn't protect you.
I watched the neverland documentary and don't listen to his music anymore.
MJ was a damaged individual probably mainly due to his father and the environment he grew up in then the fame and yes people around him
If you are a parent would you really allow your 8 year old DS so to have a sleepover in the same bed as say the postman??
Unbelievable the parents did this, it was all about being starstruck and MJ using this to his advantage.
I think it's inappropriate to use his music for a school dance show personally.

INeedAnotherName · 05/07/2025 10:25

I was in two minds about his music after the Neverland documentary, then I watched the other documentary that step by step pulled the first documentary a part. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny at all. Can't recall the name of it but it was on one of the main channels at the time.

Cantspeakwontspeak · 05/07/2025 10:25

And stadiums full of people going to watch Chris Brown…

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 05/07/2025 10:27

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 10:16

The first line of the first song on the first Beatles album references the physical attractiveness of a female under 18 years of age. Where do we draw the line? Should I go and burn Beatles records outside Paul McCartney’s house?

To be fair they were teenagers themselves when they wrote it. It would actually be weirder if she was just 34!

IcedPurple · 05/07/2025 10:28

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 10:16

The first line of the first song on the first Beatles album references the physical attractiveness of a female under 18 years of age. Where do we draw the line? Should I go and burn Beatles records outside Paul McCartney’s house?

I assume you're referring to 'She was just 17, you know what I mean'?

That's hardly outrageous, especially given that the Beatles themselves were only a few years older at the time. It's legal age. Not quite the same as sleeping in the same bed as unrelated 10 year olds, which nobody disputes MJ was at the very least guilty of.

Kchs232 · 05/07/2025 10:28

Of course he was a paedophile, but people are so obsessed with him most will never believe it. Famous people can get away with a lot when they have millions of fans idolising them.