Tax increases imminent

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits).

I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t.

this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

Utter twaddle.

@Rosscameasdoody agree, without better assessments I can’t see how we’d ever get it be fairer.

Yes I Iceland give a discount but how many people shop there regularly? They are not a supermarket and no one could do a full food shop there.

Lots of places like theatres, stately homes, gardens have stopped discounts for pensioners. Me and DH like to visit places and we have noticed this a lot. People on benefits though get discount in almost all of these places

I think if you look into it benefit claimants get a lot more discounts than pensioners. They barely have to pay anything for evening classes

We could set a maximum household income for eligibility for social housing. At the moment if you secure a tenancy it’s generally for life and your income can increase substantially without disqualifying you.

I don't pay tax on my benefits because I don't get enough to be taxed on.

Tax is not payable on universal credit

Oh yes a whole £200 a year winter fuel allowance! I think what some people on benefits are saving in not having to pay tax is a hell of a lot more than that.

Plenty of younger people on benefits would like a winter fuel allowance.

No I doubt the fuel allowance and triple lock will be around in years to come but quite like people who can't be bothered to work will still be getting benefits and not paying a penny in tax

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You may not but many do.

I didn’t say it was.

I think if you look into it benefit claimants get a lot more discounts than pensioners.

You do realise plenty of pensioners are on benefits and were ok benefits before they got to pensioner age?

The state pension and pension credit are bloody benefits!

It makes no sense to tax them though. Just reduce the amount given instead.

Quite right, takers don't suddenly turn into hard working people who have contributed all their lives at retirement age. It's a life style chose they make much earlier than that.

Disabled people who "take" did not chose that lifestyle. FFS.

Let’s move away from the age 50+ population for a minute, as this seems to be the issue here. By that age, I would expect much of that demographic to be looking at retirement/reducing hours anyway.

But if you are talking about the millions out of work you can't ignore the over 50s, The 50-64s are the biggest cohort. State pension age is now 68, why would someone be retiring in their 50s?

the majority of 16-24s not working are students as you would expect.

In the 25-49 bracket the majority are caring or sick.

@WunTooThree why would you assume @Lioncub2020 is referring to disabled people?

I don't understand the narrative that feckless people are a new thing & only exist in certain generations

FFS as we have covered on this thread many times not all disabled people are unable contribute to the society, if fact we could probably go as far as most can and do. Stop putting all disabled people into the net taker bucket.

Yet it is ok to put anyone who is not disabled but not working as someone who chooses that life and into that net taker bucket. Job seekers is a pittance and you have to show you are looking for work.

The proposed cuts to benefits are not even concentrating on able-bodied people who are not working. In fact, the plan was to raise the amount job seekers get.

I agree, they have always existed.

Most people are not.

From what I have read it is the very top earners who will notice a tax increase,or those with huge savings or investments and they will still have plenty. They usually employ good accountants who find ways of keeping some of their money safe from the tax man but they live here and have to pay their dues. We all do, according to our means.

Have you told him to contact the uni he was at? They will have a careers service who should be keen to help him get a job as they will want him in paid employment to get a good GOS scrore from him.

Well what did you expect? After the last shambolic Labour Government it was obvious nothing was going to change. Thanks to those silly enough to vote for them the rest of us are paying the price.

A few years ago now I gave/lent a colleague a small amount of money because when I asked how she was, after being off sick, she mentioned she was still not great. She had seen the Dr been diagnosed with an ear infection but didn't have the money to pick up the antibiotics. No money until pay day maybe 10 days away.

She didn't ask to borrow money. At the end of my shift I popped home grabbed some cash and asked her to please pick up the antibiotics. No need to repay me although she did after a while.

This lady was not spendy but low earner and no kids so I assume no benefits.

The point of my story is I wonder how many people will have conditions that escalate and result in much more expensive A&E, hospital stays etc because they can't/won't pay to see a Dr.

Bizarre to go back to a government that left power 15 years ago rather than looking at the horrendous mess this government inherited from the Tories.

I think Labour's only mistake lay in promising no tax rises. It was obvious that realistically that was going to have to happen given the deficit they inherited. However, I also recognise that admitting there would have to be rises would have been disastrous electorally because we simply don't have an electorate mature enough to understand that reality.

I don't love the thought of paying more tax, but I think it makes a hell of a lot more sense than trying to take away benefits, and I really hope they learn the lesson when it comes to considering the reform of SEN law. The reality is that the law does not need reforming, the system needs to be properly funded, and if that means a tax rise then so be it.