Tax increases imminent

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits).

I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t.

this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

Can you point to any Govt with a huge majority being a "Zombie Govt" ?

You seem to forget that all Starmer did was delay changes, not cancel them.

MPs voted against the unfairness of the changes, such as the blind losing PIP or those who have suffered a severe stroke.

Once the changes are ironed out, they will go ahead.

But as usual, its all Labours fault and nothing to do with 14 years of the Tories.... its as if there is collective amnesia from our regular Tory posters.... not least the pp who keeps bangs on about debt interest, forgetting it hasn't really changed significantly since Truss trebled it.... gilt yields from 1.5% to 4.5%... & billions wiped off DC pensions and a needless rise in inflation.... which led to higher benefits and pension increases....

Haha your posts always do this. Yes it’s going well for Labour. Everyone thinks so. Enjoy

I guess we’ll see it play out in slow motion. More taxes incoming.

Which modelling do you rely on?

There is a reason the Tories have just 120 MPs and are way behind Labour in the polls and despite his personal ratings, Starmer is considered head and shoulders above anyone else to be PM, esp your leader.

Why aren't they doing well? or at least better than Labour! why isn't Badenoch riding high? they command just 17% in the polls, thats LibDem levels of support.

All you post is criticism... yet you supported 100% of the policies that lead us to this mess.
No ideas, no positivity on what your party would do.... nothing, so much the same as Badenoch... empty vessel.

My point was that to use the standard deviation from the mean curve, to explain taxation and human behaviour is flawed, and then you know the story of how the laffer curve came about, on a napkin at a republican meeting, on the back of a fag packet comes to mind, then there's arthur gaffer, he had mental health issues..

He might be listening to his own MP's but he isn't listening to the people who elected him. So Labour is set to lose the next election.

Most are moving on from the looking back. It’s just Labour using it as a crutch for failings now but clearly that’s going to run out of road, if it already hasn’t.

The competition for Labour isn’t even the Tories it’s Reform. Focus on Tories means Reform gets stronger as people switch. Up to them. They can see how it works out.

The mess is yours btw you 100% supported the policies we’re seeing so enjoy your party putting them in place. You’re likely in the minority to do so.

Agree. I also think what the rebel MP’s did was to remind the government that they pledged not to alter PIP until they’d undertaken a full consultation and review involving disabled people in the design of any changes or replacement benefit. I don’t really understand the criticism of those MP’s because they’re doing what we say we want them to do - listening to and representing their constituents. That’s what happened here - they held government to its promise. Or do we only want that when it suits our purpose ?

In listening to the rebel MP’s and delaying the changes to PIP he absolutely was listening to the people who elected him. In this case disabled voters who lobbied their MP’s in droves when the four point rule was introduced. There was a clear pledge from Labour not to tinker around the edges of PIP but to undertake a consultation leading to root and branch reform of the benefit with the input of disabled people. Labour abandoned that and the rebel MP’s did nothing more than hold them to account. Isn’t that what’s supposed to happen ?

That wasn’t the question. Your proposal was that financial responsibility for disabled children is on the parents, not the state. That being the case, why should there be any contribution to the raising of perfectly able bodied children in general ? Not to mention the fact that the design of the threshold for child benefit is an absolute shambles.

The last Tory government were still banging on about Labour after they’d been in government for 10 years plus, so I think we’ll be looking back for a while yet. You can’t wipe out the harm of the last 14 years in 12 months.

Is it working for Labour would you say? Given public sentiment atm

Whilst I think there is a genuine need to discuss how to keep the cost of providing benefits manageable, I am disgusted with your choice of phrase 'spaff up the wall' (and somewhat ridiculously you then comment on the lack of maturity of some of the debate that has occured).
I work in the public sector with people on he front line who can't live and function without state support due to illness and disability in heir families. Can you imagine how you make vulnerable people feel using language like this to describe the provision that keeps them alive, housed and functioning.
If you ever experience significant disability with yourself someone close to you you will realise how despicable it is to use that language.
I realise that you picked up your phrase from Boris, which is no defense at all.
You need to do better.

I don’t think it is. Labour were a shit show from the first couple of months in office - even before the election they were tight lipped on detail, choosing splashy statements about how they were going to fix the economy instead.

What’s emerged since seems to be back of a fag packet thinking, indicating that there wasn’t any cohesive policy on anything to begin with !!

It’s not about the taxes it is about paying for every lazy shit who can work but won’t. There are far too many using mental health as an excuse not to work they should be given 1 year to sort themselves out with help paid for by us then get on with it. The genuine disabled people are not the issue it’s the ones taking the piss out of hard working people who are worse off for it. We have had our tax allowance frozen for 5 whole years and now they want to penalise us even more. The people who got grants for there business in Covid are not being penalised are they? Why should we pay for everything.

I agree it’s crap the government are all the same full of shit and they are all liars. Everyone who has lead the country have been the worst. They have probably never been skint in their lives. How about the tax payers don’t pay for their homes, gas & electricity etc. they should start at the top with themselves they are claiming everything they can. There all a joke.

The MPs represent the people who elected them and they’re all reporting inboxes stuffed with mail from constituents decrying the proposed changes. That’s the job of an MP - to listen to the people who elected them and represent their views.

Can you share what percentage of health related for benefits are for mental health and how you have determined what percent of them are fraudulent?
Or actually is it that you're ok Jack? You presently don't have any illness or disability so you don't want to have to contribute to those provisions, however if there are service you do use that others don't and contribute to (e.g. childless people's taxes paying for schools) I'm sure that's fine with you.
Honestly, you need to worry about the billion pound companies evading taxes not whether some poor bugger on the breadline is quite disabled enough ..

Public sentiment isn’t a great barometer of success, there’s going to be public outcry over any change that takes money from anyone’s pocket whether that be WFA, disability benefits, UC, or tax changes.

It’s going to take a good while to even get to where we’re paying enough to stand still, much less improve things. No one wants the pain of that though so we’ll be on this merry go round of increasing benefits, lowering public services and howls of “tax the rich”, meaning anyone but me.

Actually I do have illnesses and mental health problems but I don’t rely on other people to support me I am basically working to pay towards people better off than me. there are 1 million people aged 16 to 24 claiming for mental health right now. That seem ok to you? Yet these people can look after kids, go on holiday, go shopping but can’t work yeh my arse. Just lazy selfish twats. Very judgmental by the way. I know lots of people ill still working.

Can you prove there not fraudulent? Or are you one of them? £200 might not mean much to you but it means a great deal to the rest of us.

What has gone so wrong in British society that there is such a large percentage of people who are sick, either mentally or physically or both, and unable to work. Leaving aside the rightness or wrongness of supporting them, not supporting them, how easy or hard it is to be signed off sick etc? Why are we so ill? Is it the food, the pollution, the breakdown of the family unit, the internet, social media...?

Thankfully I am not disabled. I have spent most of my working life working 60-80 hour weeks, including whilst a single parent of 3 with no family support. I have progressed in my career and am a higher rate tax payer. It's ok that I pay more tax because I earn more and we all need the services that the taxes pay for. I put money in my pension which reduces my tax bill a little and means I will not be dependent on the state when I am older. Other than that I would not dream of trying to squirm out of making my contribution. If I thought a tax increase could solve some of the crises in the NHS and school system, I would happily do this. It's called responsibility.

If you want more money, maybe you should do what I did and work harder if you're not disabled, rather than whinging about having to make a contribution to a social system that will help you if you do ever become disabled. And that can happen to any of us. Although I am sure if you ever need help that would, of course, be diferent and genuine.

My sister is disabled after having had her health destroyed by having stage 4 cancer twice and the damage caused by appropriate treatment (than god she's still here though).

I helped her with the paperwork to claim the benefits she needed when she was too ill to do her professional job, as she wasn't up to it at the time. The hoops to jump through were many. I don't think you realise that is not that easy to claim these things fraudulently.

And you are the one that made the assertion that many cases are fraudulent, I have set out why I feel this is unlikely to be a significant number because of the steps involved in claiming. Can you please set out why you believe there are a significant number of fraudulent claims? (And please don't say it's what everyone in the pub says, or just 'everyone knows'). Something with an actual basis.

Entitlement! if anyone is genuine they are not the issue. What these young ones don’t understand is as they get older there won’t be as much in the pot as the workers who are paying for them now won’t be around or living off a pension and who will support them until there in there 70s. No wonder the government are trying to stop it now before there’s nothing left for the nhs. I bet there are nurses and teachers emergency workers suffering mental health who crack on. imagine all these people leaving there jobs to get benefits who would look after us then.