Tax increases imminent

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits).

I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t.

this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

Then that is something that needs to be tackled. But not at the cost of people not being able to pay their rent so ending up homeless. There simply is not enough social housing to go round.

But them the rents stay high because we subsidise landlords.

That cannot go on.

So what do you suggest? Because removing the housing element of UC will just result in people being homeless.

What free prescriptions (if you actually need any medication) and a bus pass! How generous.

So I take it you think it is ok for some people to never work but get a pension and and that benefits are not taxed?

What free prescriptions (if you actually need any medication) and a bus pass! How generous.

Don't forget winter fuel & triple lock.

Unlikely these things will be there in years to come though.

You mentioned cheaper broadband for people on UC. Some shops do a discount day for pensioners (Iceland is the first one that comes to mind). Also cheaper tickets in some theatres/cinemas. Some cafes do senior meals that are cheaper.
If you have a good look, there are a lot of discounts that pensioners can get that people on benefits can not.

Also, UC is means tested so the people on it wont have a lot of money anyway. The state pension is not.

Her opinion is her opinion, however she is wrong to suggest I am being untruthful about my age or tenure. This is an anonymous forum and I have no wish to disclose anything that could out me, like age. But by all means, call me a liar, I couldn’t really care.

What are you going on about? 😆

Exactly.

I'm not saying I don't think any more families should get free school meals just that it should be based on income not whether someone gets universal credit.

So for example decide that families with a household income of 40k or less get free school meals rather than all families on universal credit - some of whom get much more.

It’s really not conflicting, it’s a statement of my opinion, it really doesn’t need to be dissected and pulled apart like an essay being graded. You know my opinion and I know yours, we are all entitled to differences, sorry that mumsnet isn’t the echo chamber you hoped for.

Oh we going for this approach now 🤣

Have you seen the state of the job market though? It’s dire and many many many jobs are advertised at salaries that were low 10/15 years ago. They haven't gone up. At all. And thats before conditions - zero hours contracts, employers wanting vast experience for rubbish pay, part time work thats pays peanuts and shafts women mostly. Stressful horrible workplaces in many sectors due to lack of funds and no staff. Workplaces not investing in curent staff or training up. Apprenticeship funding being cut now. And the cost of living. If you want people to work then you have to have a Government prepared to invest in this - sure some people rig the system - they always do - but its a reflection of the state of the country. And employees need vastly better protections in this country. But its all right because there is always someone who says - you don't work and your lazy. Its YOUR fault. Its an easy trap many people in this country believe and what idiot politicians say - just blame the individual because we don't want to change the structural problems of this country.

Oh we going for this approach now

The only person who mentioned your age was you when you referred to yourself as an "old bird"....

What makes you think tacking the wealthy and corporations will raise tax. Evasion from these two areas is miniscule these days. It’s small businesses that are responsible for the vast majority of evasion. You can tackle this yourself by never dealing with any cash business.

For the majority it really is. Most people have family who would take action prior to seeing their relative living on the streets. This should be your first port of call, not taxpayers. That’s how we got into this mess in the first place.

I didn't say on 60k wages - I said they bring in the equivalent of a 60k wage (including their wage and universal credit).

Yes because of high rents and childcare. Many other families also struggle with high rents/high childcare costs, have nothing left after their essential outgoings and don't receive universal credit.

Well he was actually a complete liar.

It’s really not conflicting, it’s a statement of my opinion

Of course it's conflicting.

Just like you saying you said "I wasn’t referring to people over 50," when talking about the elephant in the room "there are an awful lot of able adults of working age who will not work". Someone over 50 is a working adult!

You know my opinion and I know yours, we are all entitled to differences, sorry that mumsnet isn’t the echo chamber you hoped for.

Echo chamber? This doesn't make any sense. I am not trying to get you to agree with me. You just need to actually re read your posts.

Property is already taxed and double taxed. In Scotland you pay LBTT which is a tax on land and homes (I think in England is called stamp duty), if you buy a second home, you pay ADT (additional dwelling tax) on top of the LBTT, for example a second home worth £500k incurs a £68k tax....also you pay double or sometimes triple council tax on holiday homes or homes that are not occupied all year round. I do not agree with inheritance tax to be so low, we have made incredible sacrifices ( our kids too) by living frugally in the hopes of leaving something for them, nothing too excessive but we were hoping to leave each of them a property, this will obviously change if we see they will be taxed at 40%, on something we build with already taxed money!

If you want people to work? It shouldn’t be a choice, not a lifestyle choice anyway. I agree with you though in part this has been facilitated by the government, but they also need to take responsibility and make hard decisions. Saying that work needs to be appealing to people just highlights exactly what is wrong, for some (not all as I’ve been accused on here of generalising) they don’t as it’s not worth it. The system has created this, so you can’t blame people for taking advantage to an extent, but it’s bloody unsustainable especially to those paying through the nose in taxes (working poor especially).

Sir Keir Starmer is set to block new wealth taxes after one of his most senior advisers warned that recent levies on the rich may be undermining economic growth.

No, really????

Oh yes a whole £200 a year winter fuel allowance! I think what some people on benefits are saving in not having to pay tax is a hell of a lot more than that.

No I doubt the fuel allowance and triple lock will be around in years to come but quite like people who can't be bothered to work will still be getting benefits and not paying a penny in tax

So cap the amount of rent that can be charged so that greedy landlords can’t get rich at the tax payers’ expense. Similarly make employers pay a decent wage instead of expecting the tax payers to prop up their wages bill with UC. That’s the gravy train that needs to stop but it won’t because disabled people are an easier target. The cuts haven’t gone away - the government are just regrouping and I guarantee you when the consultation is finished they won’t take any notice of input from disabled people themselves because they’ve already made up their minds what they’re going to do, they’re just paying lip service.

Let’s move away from the age 50+ population for a minute, as this seems to be the issue here. By that age, I would expect much of that demographic to be looking at retirement/reducing hours anyway. Most of us are the sandwich generation that need to cut hours to care for elderly parents/support adult children and grandchildren.

There are a lot of much younger adults, from age 18 plus up until age 50/older that I have been professionally privy to, who have never worked and unlikely to ever, for no real reason other than it doesn’t work for them. Believe me, I have worked all my adult life trying to support these people back into the workplace.

Why are you assuming that benefit claimants don’t pay tax ? Contribution based benefits like ESA and JSA - for those still claiming - are taxable, as is carers allowance and state pension.