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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 2025-07-04T10:28:11+00:00

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits). I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t. this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

bookdook · 04/07/2025 19:58

It’s not going to make a difference to your opinion or mine, so let’s leave it that.

You're the one who wrote the the two conflicting statements

Rosscameasdoody · 04/07/2025 19:59

WunTooThree · 04/07/2025 19:56

I know. But they will be in those figures about the 24% people being disabled.

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No, because that 24% of the population figure is based on the numbers claiming disability and sickness related benefits. If those people had their cancer successfully treated to the point where it no longer had any effect, then benefit would stop. So they wouldn’t be included in the figures.

bookdook · 04/07/2025 19:59

Bookdook! Flipping autocorrect.

😆

WideawakeinSanDiego · 04/07/2025 20:00

Rosscameasdoody · 04/07/2025 18:36

And those that haven’t ? What - they just starve in the street and we sweep them up at the end of every week ?

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They either rely on family or take lower paid jobs whilst searching for more suitable employment.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/07/2025 20:02

WideawakeinSanDiego · 04/07/2025 20:00

They either rely on family or take lower paid jobs whilst searching for more suitable employment.

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Yes, it’s just that simple isn’t it ?

WunTooThree · 04/07/2025 20:04

Rosscameasdoody · 04/07/2025 19:59

No, because that 24% of the population figure is based on the numbers claiming disability and sickness related benefits. If those people had their cancer successfully treated to the point where it no longer had any effect, then benefit would stop. So they wouldn’t be included in the figures.

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Ah, I thought that figure was all disabled people, not just those on benefits.

WideawakeinSanDiego · 04/07/2025 20:05

Rosscameasdoody · 04/07/2025 20:02

Yes, it’s just that simple isn’t it ?

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It is if they want to survive. Why do you think they wouldn't take that option?

itwascousinhalifax · 04/07/2025 20:07

PandoraSocks · 04/07/2025 19:54

Ha. Cookbook really caught you out! No wonder you are evading the question.

Eta: Bookdook! Flipping autocorrect.

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Nice try Pandora socks!

bookdook · 04/07/2025 20:08

It is if they want to survive. Why do you think they wouldn't take that option?

I think that will increase the burden on the state re healthcare and crime.

bookdook · 04/07/2025 20:08

Nice try Pandora socks!

She's not wrong though!

WideawakeinSanDiego · 04/07/2025 20:12

bookdook · 04/07/2025 20:08

It is if they want to survive. Why do you think they wouldn't take that option?

I think that will increase the burden on the state re healthcare and crime.

You are suggesting that people would turn to crime if they were expected to work. How entitled are these people?? Even more reason to stop giving them free money and divert those funds to lock them up.

bookdook · 04/07/2025 20:19

@WideawakeinSanDiego I am saying that when people have to survive some turn to crime. Is that really a radical thought?

Looking at history do you think increased poverty & hardship leads to a reduction in crime?

DBD1975 · 04/07/2025 20:21

Rosscameasdoody · 04/07/2025 16:52

Nope. NI isn’t your personal pension pot. Each generation pays for the pensions of those who have gone before. And that’s the problem - there aren’t enough working young people now to pay for the pension entitlement of future generations. And state pension absolutely is a benefit - it’s defined as such by the Act of parliament that created it.

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So that's all good then I have worked full time for the past 45 years and continue to do so never having claimed a penny in benefits and paying my taxes.
However, when I get to pensionable age which will be 67 you don't think I should get the state pension?

FalseSpring · 04/07/2025 20:23

Almost 23% of the working age population claim some sort of benefit (including universal credit). I really think that is too high. UC has helped to keep wages lower than they should be.

Lifeofthepartay · 04/07/2025 20:26

They won't tax the billionaires and they won't tackle benefit fraud. If you ask me I would focus on taxing billionaires first and corporations. But let's be honest, we all know the social welfare is a bottomless pit too. Yeah, we get it people are in need, but benefits are going up more than wages and on top of that, those that are not on benefits will be taxed more, yeah middle and working class people will start to struggle too, and being pushed down as there is no social mobility if we are all scrapping by ...

Zebedee999 · 04/07/2025 20:28

NeedyOpalSquid · 04/07/2025 11:37

Trying to take the rather juvenile emotion out...

What do you think should be done to save money?

I think the state pension should be means tested, to try to cut the bill by at least a third.

I think the NHS should stop spending money on very expensive treatments in order to preserve life for a few years, and introduce a £30 access fee for most minor appointments.

What ideas do you have other than a vague sense that things are getting expensive?

Good ideas.

I'd offshore the 40% of the prison population that are foreigners to Rwanda (£500pa instead of £50k).

Scrap PIP for mental health issues.

Return immediately all illegal immigrants.

Scrap tax rebates on pension payments.

It's easy enough to save money but no one will accept what needs to be done.

WunTooThree · 04/07/2025 20:29

FalseSpring · 04/07/2025 20:23

Almost 23% of the working age population claim some sort of benefit (including universal credit). I really think that is too high. UC has helped to keep wages lower than they should be.

A lot of that is on rent though. People are getting some of their rent paid because rents are just too high.

itwascousinhalifax · 04/07/2025 20:29

bookdook · 04/07/2025 20:08

Nice try Pandora socks!

She's not wrong though!

Her opinion is her opinion, however she is wrong to suggest I am being untruthful about my age or tenure. This is an anonymous forum and I have no wish to disclose anything that could out me, like age. But by all means, call me a liar, I couldn’t really care.

JHound · 04/07/2025 20:31

Darragon · 04/07/2025 11:31

I'm pissed off too. They're acting like teenagers who treat their parents (in this case actual taxpayers) like a bottomless pit of money to spaff up the wall on absolute rubbish and the arguments in favour sound like what you'd hear in a sixth form common room. Something's got to give and it shouldn't be taxpayers having to foot the bill because everyone's stamping their feet demanding we bankrupt the country to #bekind in a million different ways we can't afford. We're going to end up like South Africa at this rate.

Does South Africa have a high tax rate?

JHound · 04/07/2025 20:31

WunTooThree · 04/07/2025 20:29

A lot of that is on rent though. People are getting some of their rent paid because rents are just too high.

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And they stay high because they are being subsidised. Why are we subsidising private enterprise?

mydogisthebest · 04/07/2025 20:32

Do the posters who think pensions should be mean tested not have a problem with people who spend years not working getting a full pension when they get to pension age? Rewarded for not working

I get state pension and because the tax allowance has not changed I now have to pay tax on it. Not much admittedly but I paid tax for 45 years so am not happy about it. Again people on benefits don't pay any tax regardless of how much they get. They also get help with things like council tax, rent get cheaper broadband etc etc. How is that fair?

WunTooThree · 04/07/2025 20:34

mydogisthebest · 04/07/2025 20:32

Do the posters who think pensions should be mean tested not have a problem with people who spend years not working getting a full pension when they get to pension age? Rewarded for not working

I get state pension and because the tax allowance has not changed I now have to pay tax on it. Not much admittedly but I paid tax for 45 years so am not happy about it. Again people on benefits don't pay any tax regardless of how much they get. They also get help with things like council tax, rent get cheaper broadband etc etc. How is that fair?

Pensioners get a lot of perks too.

JHound · 04/07/2025 20:35

NeedyOpalSquid · 04/07/2025 11:37

Trying to take the rather juvenile emotion out...

What do you think should be done to save money?

I think the state pension should be means tested, to try to cut the bill by at least a third.

I think the NHS should stop spending money on very expensive treatments in order to preserve life for a few years, and introduce a £30 access fee for most minor appointments.

What ideas do you have other than a vague sense that things are getting expensive?

For the pension to be means tested they would have to change the way they fund it. Scrap NI pensions contributions and have it out of general taxation like Australia. No way would I accept paying into a state pension and then told I cannot claim it.

WideawakeinSanDiego · 04/07/2025 20:36

DBD1975 · 04/07/2025 20:21

So that's all good then I have worked full time for the past 45 years and continue to do so never having claimed a penny in benefits and paying my taxes.
However, when I get to pensionable age which will be 67 you don't think I should get the state pension?

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Agree,

Why does a person's state pension record show how many qualifying years they have? Does PIP or housing benefit etc do the same?

Benefits are currently tax exempt. Strange that state pension is taxed......

JHound · 04/07/2025 20:36

mydogisthebest · 04/07/2025 20:32

Do the posters who think pensions should be mean tested not have a problem with people who spend years not working getting a full pension when they get to pension age? Rewarded for not working

I get state pension and because the tax allowance has not changed I now have to pay tax on it. Not much admittedly but I paid tax for 45 years so am not happy about it. Again people on benefits don't pay any tax regardless of how much they get. They also get help with things like council tax, rent get cheaper broadband etc etc. How is that fair?

Agree with this. I am paying specific contributions towards my state pension. I would prefer not to if it was means tested. They would have to phase it in slowly if any changes were to be made.