Tax increases imminent

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits).

I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t.

this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

Unlike all other countries in Europe and Oz/Nz - it is not really “contributions based” in terms of how much you earn though… So the vast majority are not paying anything near enough to get the 12K+ a year they are entitled to. (I include myself in this).

The system, like many other aspects of British culture and society, is a race to the bottom and discourages you to strive and work more: as whether you are SAHP for 12 years and then work 2 days a week on minimum wage for the next 20 you get the same state pension entitlement as someone earning 80K+. So what’s the point? May as well plod along doing as little as possible. Even better if you don’t work at all - you get pension credit and all the extras that comes with.

Will get flamed - but you can see this attitude anywhere and everywhere in the UK. It’s partly way economic growth is so bad.

Well let's make sure those dreadful, dreadful, selfish women live in poverty in their old age!!!!!!!!
Seriously 😳.

People pay for their state pension over the course of their working lives through their national insurance contributions.

But they don't pay enough. Think logically about average earnings & how much tax someone pays. It won't fund a state pension let alone healthcare and education.

Agree. Something else has just struck me too. Introducing a fee to see a GP wouldn’t contribute to better services within the NHS at all. GP’s are private concerns contracted to provide certain NHS services and to refer to secondary care where appropriate. I certainly don’t want to be putting money into the coffers of a GP surgery that makes me wait an average of three weeks for an appointment - and then it’s mostly at the end of the phone.

The system, like many other aspects of British culture and society, is a race to the bottom and discourages you to strive and work more: as whether you are SAHP for 12 years and then work 2 days a week on minimum wage for the next 20 you get the same state pension entitlement as someone earning 80K+. So what’s the point? May as well plod along doing as little as possible. Even better if you don’t work at all - you get pension credit and all the extras that comes with.

I don't think the majority think like that. I work because I like my job. Knowing that others get pension credit doesn't deter me from saving into a private one.

Agree. Amazes me that so many people think NI contributions ring fence your pension and it sits in a pot until you claim it. It’s actually today’s working people who fund the pensions currently in payment.

It’s actually today’s working people who fund the pensions currently in payment.

And this is the issue, even with a few more million working. The demographic changes are huge and unlike many other countries that have different healthcare systems, better regulated housing markets it's going to hit us harder.

It's already hitting us but will get worse.

This is an unbelievably daft post.

Living on Pension Credit and the extras is no picnic. The 80k earner will be far more comfortable in their old age, unless they have spaffed all their earnings away.

This.

it’s impossible to turn around 14 years of running the country down in 12 months.

If we want better services we are going to have to pay for them.

At least Labour will use the money to improve the nhs and education rather than pay their rich mates even more money.

Wes Streetings NHS plan is looking promising.

It is. At last count it was actually 24% of the total population - some 16 million people. But nothing to do with whether or not they work - that’s something the poster pulled out of the air to support their narrative.

it’s impossible to turn around 14 years of running the country down in 12 months.

It's longer than that.

Wage stagnation started in the 70s

Careful. You are not allowed to say anything positive at all about Labour. You'll be accused of all sorts.

Labour u turning on tax rises next won’t help. Plus people don’t feel things are improving. When off here anyway, in polls.

It is. At last count it was actually 24% of the total population - some 16 million people

And aren't the majority over state pension age?

There’s still a fair few posters who do. It’s just not really aligned to general sentiment.

People who have had cancer (even if it was removed and has caused no issues since) are classed as disabled according to the Equality Act.

Haha oh come on, of course he was an outright liar!

Yes. Approximately 12 million of those are pensioners. The majority don’t claim PIP though - PIP is for working age - 16-65 unless you are already in receipt of it at the point of claiming state pension. The majority of pensioners who become disabled after retirement age are in receipt of Attendance Allowance, which doesn’t include a mobility component. Approximately 700,000 children are in receipt of child DLA, which, by my reckoning leaves approximately 3.3 million working age people who claim PIP - and who the government chose to concentrate on for the purposes of welfare reform. It should also be pointed out that many disabled people of all ages don’t claim disability or any other benefits, so the figures here only represent the number of disabled people who can be identified as such through benefit claims.

So it's really not a huge amount of working age people contrary to the narrative

But being classed as disabled in itself doesn’t qualify you for disability benefits. It’s not the fact that you have a condition or disability that counts, it’s the effect it has on your daily life that is scored for eligibility. Once the cancer has been successfully treated eligibility for continuing benefit would be reassessed as a change in circumstances and if there were no ongoing issues benefit would stop.

It’s not going to make a difference to your opinion or mine, so let’s leave it that.

And it’s rude to ask a lady her age 😉

3.3 million people are claiming working age disability or sickness benefits, or a combination of the two. 18% of those claiming PIP work.

Ha. Cookbook really caught you out! No wonder you are evading the question.

Eta: Bookdook! Flipping autocorrect.

I know. But they will be in those figures about the 24% people being disabled.