Tax increases imminent

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits).

I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t.

this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

Do you ever debate rather than insult @bookdook

JFC your comments are banal I mean who cares.

I agree but both are affected. If taxes are deemed to be too high compared to other countries, we run the risk of ‘brain drain’ where highly skilled, highly mobile young workers vote with their feet and move elsewhere. (Perhaps they are even more likely to move as they don’t yet have housing/kids/businesses here that take longer to extracate?).

I also agree that we do have lots of millionaires compared to some other countries but that’s a double edged sword in the short-medium term: it means we’ve become reliant on the tax they bring.

Disabled people are paid a mobility allowance to help with the increased cost of getting around - and it’s only paid at the higher rate which qualifies for motability to the most disabled. A car is by far the most cost effective way of getting around - either driving it yourself or nominating a friend or family member as the driver. I have no idea why people are so dead set against motability when the main cost to the tax payer is simply the mobility allowance which would be paid anyway. Most of the other costs, including the vehicles and any adaptations needed are borne by motability which is a charity funded private concern. And FYI, the cars are purchased by motability, who negotiate with manufacturers to reduce price. At no point do they ever belong to the claimant. The mobility allowance is handed over for a three or five year lease, depending on the extent of adaptations needed for the disabled person.

And as for the notion that disabled people without a job don’t need a car, that’s so ableist I don’t even know where to start with it. Unless you are disabled yourself you won’t even begin to understand how motability helps people gain and keep their independence, or how much that independence means. Some of the attitudes to disabled people here are just disgusting.

@Rosscameasdoody Individuals with disabilities and chronic illness vary widely as do their means and their needs.

As we are often told, many people with PIP work, and so they have the ability to provide economically for themselves.

I cannot see that PIP only contributes to people's costs - for the most profound disability maybe, but not for some lesser conditions.

You are simply generalising that ALL disabled people have the same needs and means - they do not.

Disabled people are part of society and in that they must contribute to society when they can.

No-one should have free reign to use whatever services they want, with no consideration of who is paying for that.

Everyone will have to have less, even the disabled and certainly older people.

My suggestion doesn't really apply to you then does it you work, you have your own car. . I don't believe that you can be both too do any type of work whatsoever, but still have the capability to drive. How do you justify 1 in 5 new cars being a subsidised car if it is not part of the gravy train. Some people get them for dyslexia FFS.

i don't understand why we are not taxing Amazon, Google, Starbucks etc

I know someone who works and gets PIP due to ADHD. To me this is just not the same or incurs the same costs as someone without a limb or a parent caring for a dc confined to a bed.

Agreed. The median salary is c£38k on which annual income tax of £5k is paid. I’m a higher earner, which I am very grateful for and not complaining. But in the last tax year, I paid 35x more tax than that on a taxable income that was 11x higher than the median. To say us higher earners aren’t contributing to society is bloody nuts.

If taxes are deemed to be too high compared to other countries, we run the risk of ‘brain drain’ where highly skilled, highly mobile young workers vote with their feet and move elsewhere. (Perhaps they are even more likely to move as they don’t yet have housing/kids/businesses here that take longer to extracate?)*

Some will move anyway as they can't afford housing.

Ross's posts are generally very disablist assuming no one with any type of disability can look after themselves which lots of the disabled people I know would find highly offensive.

There are also doctors, nurses and others with long covid who are unable to work and need to be supported so I don't know why the super rich aren't being taxed

The median salary is c£38k on which annual income tax of £5k is paid.

It's 7k including NI

The car is used for the benefit of the disabled person so can be driven by a parent, partner, carer in support of the person with a disability, not just driven by the disabled person.

Boris was a liar.

Some people's attitudes to working people who pay high taxes are also disgusting.

Some people seem happy for people to graft many many hours in crappy jobs and with significant illnesses and difficulties to pay for others who have similar needs, but for many reasons have not accessed work.

We can't all work - there simply isn't enough work out there and that is likely to increase.

So we need to consider how we deal with a population who demand so very much in terms of services and goods.

I'm a fan of universal basic income myself. This does require a very basic level of existence though for most people to allow for incentivisation to those that do then go on to work - working people should not have worse lifestyles than those who do not work.

I agree that unearned wealth in inheritance tax needs to be changed to raise revenue and halt rising property prices which would also enable young people to afford to buy their own home

And I will get flamed for this but people owning more than one property should be taxed highly, that would raise money and create more affordable housing

Do you ever debate rather than insult

How am I not debating? I'm just not responding with "blame labour" or "labour said X".
We get it you aren't a a labour fan but the problems we are facing go beyond one political parties actions in the last year!

JFC your comments are banal I mean who cares.

Stop replying to me then!

No we don’t all get a tax free personal allowance.

It’s the higher rate taxpayers that have been hammered over the past few years. When did the basic rate of tax last rise? I don’t think it has ever been lower.

Not generalising anything. PIP is intended to provide a contribution towards the cost of living with a disability. The assessment is geared to assessing the potential extra cost and is paid at an appropriate level to that need. It doesn’t assess for anything else whether you ‘see it’ or not.

The mark of a civilised society is how well it provides for the sick, the disabled and the elderly. Sixty years ago disabled people were mainly in institutions and had very little participation in society. The cost of that now would be astronomical compared to the disability benefits which replaced those institutions and allowed disabled people a measure of ‘normal’ life.

Unfortunately many people, including it seems, yourself, tend to forget that when discussing disability benefits. You seem to have very little idea of what being disabled actually means, and even less of what it takes to care for someone with a disability. We’re a civilised society and so disability benefits are paid to level the playing field and allow better participation in society for the disabled. The fact that you don’t seem to consider that a reasonable aspiration says far more about you than it does about the disabled and I’m assuming that you’re a Labour voter because your aim seems to be to reduce everyone to the same miserable level.

I agree, there’s no need to own more than one house and those doing so should pay additional tax as the luxury that it is. There would need to be an exemption following bereavement to allow time for a home to be sold, but no one needs to own multiple properties.

That 'mark of a civilised society' quote doesn't work when over 50% of society falls into that category.

It only worked when they were a minority and could afford to be supported by the working population.

I pay NI too. I accept that’s less progressive than income tax, reducing my contribution to c27x the median. Still paying my fair share on that. And of course, that doesn’t factor in things like the 30 hours free childcare I won’t be getting (but pay higher hourly rates at nursery to subsidise the shortfall alongside my subsidy via taxation), child benefit, etc etc.

I don’t expect any violins but frankly have no appetite to pay increasing amounts to support others, even less so if PPs got their way in terms of means testing state pension (which I’ll likely be taxed on) or forcing me to pay more at the point of use for the NHS while exempting the usual groups.

Labour are in now even if you and others prefer it not mentioned.

Plus do take your own advice and stop replying.