Tax increases imminent

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits).

I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t.

this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

We do. They adhere to all of the corporation tax rules in place. How can you not understand this? Their HQs are overseas, so they pay their main corporation tax overseas. Amazon SARL, the SARL bit means Luxembourg for instance.

This is what people don't get. It isn't society at this point. We aren't talking about supporting the poorer and most vulnerable we are talking about supporting the average person. Not sustainable. I am happy to help disabled people more but I don't believe that 23% of working age adults can be possibly be so disabled they can't contribute economically to the country. It's bullshit.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 FFS!!!

Worth raising this.

I’m disabled myself. A full time wheelchair user. I was also a disability outreach worker for more than twenty years. And if you read my posts properly and with any measure of critical thinking, I’m not suggesting anything of the sort. I find the argument for cutting disability benefits littered with ableism - especially on MN. I have no idea what your argument is here, and I suspect you don’t either.

Following your logic.

Where do you stand on ‘excess’ bedrooms, or a garden larger than is strictly ‘necessary’?

Let’s move on to cars - an SUV perhaps, when you have no ‘need’ for one.
An LV tote, or a Patek Philippe. Arguably, they are ‘unnecessary’ luxuries too.

I am curious.

What ableist shit!
Disabled people still go shopping, go to appointments, and have a social life etc.
If they have a car on the Motability scheme then they are on the enhanced rate of PIP, which means their disabilities are pretty severe.
If they did not have the car, then they would still have the PIP money anyway.

And no one gets PIP for dyslexia. When you apply for PIP you have to list ALL of your health conditions, even if you are not so affected by them that you need PIP. So someone could have a car via PIP and be dyslexic, but they will not have been awarded PIP for being dyslexic.

Someone’s got to pay those who don't want to work, and those that have never paid in to anything.

People pay for their state pension over the course of their working lives through their national insurance contributions.
By paying this you qualify for the state pension when you reach retirement age so it isn't a 'benefit' it is an entitlement.

I absolutely agree and if you scroll upthread you’ll see several of my posts that support that. The introduction of the Equality Act 2010 and the change from DLA to PIP in 2013 expanded the definition of disability and took away the need for formal diagnosis. That’s what we need to fix. If you expand the definition of disability then you expand the scope of disability benefits accordingly - and the problem here is that it’s been allowed to expand far beyond what the public expect or are prepared to support. And rightly so.

That 'mark of a civilised society' quote doesn't work when over 50% of society falls into that category

But what do we do with the demographics of an aging population? We already have more over 65s than under 15 yrs olds.

Whilst Labour are in government (admittedly without power), and whilst they keep making error after error, impacting millions of us - people have every right to criticise them.

There are very real world consequences to their actions during the past 12 months.

Nope. NI isn’t your personal pension pot. Each generation pays for the pensions of those who have gone before. And that’s the problem - there aren’t enough working young people now to pay for the pension entitlement of future generations. And state pension absolutely is a benefit - it’s defined as such by the Act of parliament that created it.

I am seriously fed up with this now.
Let's be brutally honest here we are spending too much on benefits now and this has to stop.
The hard working are the ones paying for all this. If you work and pay tax that is you.
I actually watched on the news the other night some young woman confidently chatting on camera about why she needed PIP for her mental health. Seriously she was talking on camera and physically able ( my anxiety would never allow that , but somehow I still manage a full time job and no support ).
My sympathy has run out now. People need to work and actually that would probably help mental health anyway.
Having a purpose, excersize and fresh air do in fact help. Maybe give all mental health PIP claimants some simple work tasks ?? litter picking is nice and easy with no mental strain! ( I'm only half joking btw).
I do know what debilitating illness and disability looks like and why some people will always need benefits and why carers who literally have to be with someone 24/7 can't work and these are the people we as a society should be helping. Not the self proclaimed carer of someone perfectly able to complete daily tasks including toileting getting a sandwich etc.
This week I actually delt with a couple where the wife ( the carer) happily told me how she could afford to go to benidorm due to her benefits leaving her husband (the person she gets carers allowance for) home alone so he "can get some peace". Is this ok????
I have a colleague who works 3 days a week to claim universal credits rather than just work full time like others do. Yes benefits pay for her to be at home!
Absolutely not fair. ( her children are at school full time as are the children of others in the team)
Why can a family with 2 salaries just below threshold claim child benefit but the family with overall lower income but one earner over threshold not? Again not fair. (SAVING potential)
This needs looking at and a household income needs to be used for child benefit. (SAVING potential)
Oh and the new plans for NHS. We all know that the cycle is almost impossible to break. Ever tried explaining to an overweight parent that their darling child is in fact obese?? No they never ever accept it and follow advice.
NHS needs a very firm hand and cuts to non urgent treatment have to happen.

I could go on but I will stop my little rant now.

Exactly

People pay for their state pension over the course of their working lives through their national insurance contributions.By paying this you qualify for the state pension when you reach retirement age so it isn't a 'benefit' it is an entitlement.

No it is a benefit, the majority won't have paid enough!

I actually feel pretty annoyed at all the griping at Labour. Not that they are perfect, but if we want to have a functioning country and maintain basic services like the NHS, social care and education, we have a few choices:

• Cut some spending.
  They tried cutting the winter fuel allowance - everyone complained.
  They tried looking at welfare spending - everyone complained.

• Tax business more.
  They tried increasing National Insurance - everyone complained.

• Tax individuals more.
  There are suggestions taxes may go up in the next budget - everyone is complaining.

We need to accept as a country that if we want functioning services then we either need to cut some things or pay a bit more tax or both.

According to MN Holy Writ, there is no such thing as a benefit cheat. Or so few that it doesn’t matter.

I wish any govt. would get a lot tougher on all sorts, including shoplifting and widespread money laundering through the likes of vape shops. And it’s about bloody time we had identity cards!

Classic anyone who disagree with you is lacking critical thinking. You are arguing that all disabled people should be compensated for the impact of their disability. I'm arguing that a disability is just a fact of life and many of the 23% of the working age population who have a disability are fully able to work and support themselves without this compensation. Disabled people can be high achieving and wealthy too. The argument for cutting disability is that is too expensive and unfordable for the country. It is unaffordable to be giving my friend on a large salary as a CEO of his own company benefits payments because he is disabled, he could easily cope without. He wouldn't see his disability as something that needs compensation.

So your LV tote and Patel Philippe will already be taxed as luxury items. Everyone doesn’t need a high spec watch, or designer bag. They do need somewhere to live.

Extra bedrooms, larger gardens don’t reduce available housing stock, push house prices up or leave communities gutted by empty properties and short term lets.

Tax business and individuals more, you say.

OK, so - business will close, downsize or relocate.

Individuals will cut spending, cut their tax liability (by retirement or cutting hours), or relocate. The majority being high earners who have the ability to do this.

It’s really that simple.

@MyNameIsX of course people can criticise labour but the shit we are in now has been coming for years.

People often seem to overlook that taxing large business is essentially taxing pensioners or pension pots.

Interesting that this poster called me ableist considering that they wrote one of the most ignorant and ableist posts I’ve yet to see on MN. I hate threads like these. No matter what the intention of the OP they always descend into benefit bashing - and ignorant benefit bashing at that.

I see a fair few people now relocating to tax-free countries like Dubai and Singapore but then spending a lot of time in the UK or having their families living in the UK and using the NHS and schools etc while they generate income overseas. I would limit the amount of time that people are able to spend in the UK before being liable for tax etc... to make this harder. I think move overseas bt don't expect the UK taxpayers to subsidise you.