I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

It's all of our concern when our children are put at risk by others.

London and West Midlands you say? Immigration must have a role in this then, so possible lack of education/language issues.

I tend not to eat up everything told to me by the government and the scientists who they pay, people talk about getting misinformation on social media about vacancies but they aren't even doing their own research just soaking up what they're told by the government.

Anti vaxers always claim to be 'educated' when they actually can't understand basic science.

Eg they will list ingredients for a vaccine and not understand it or just google the words without knowing that the words are linked.

Silly example.

Chlorine is a highly poisonous gas, it was used in WWI to kill.

Sodium is a metal that is highly reactive.

You would think you would not want either in your body, but actually they combine to form salt, something we all need in our diet.

Then there is dihydrogen monoxide, it kills if inhaled and is used in nuclear power plants.

I work in epidemiology. I'll try my best to explain. There will be another pandemic. And another. And another. The likelihood is that the gaps between pandemics will get shorter. This is because mutations of viral and bacterial zoonotics are currently outstripping our capacity to fight them. How is this impacted by anti-vaxxers? Because if your body is weakened by, say, having recently had measles, your capacity to fight a new and more deadly disease is reduced, possibly disastrously so. And trust me, what some of these organisms do to the human body would freeze your blood. Now apply that to a population and imagine thousands of people in this situation. There is no treatment because the disease is new. There is no vaccine because the disease is new. There is no herd immunity, acquired or assisted because the populace has contrived to weaken its ability to fight disease. That's what happened during the Black Death. Then, the populace was weakened by malnutrition due to the combination of a population boom and successive failed harvests. The disease wiped out half of Europe. Anti-vaxxers should be hated. They're not just annoying; they are a scourge on society and a threat to the wellbeing of us all. And it is always someone else that suffers. Someone who for medical reasons can't be vaccinated. Someone who has to nurse the numbnuts anti-vaxxers. Taxpayers who have to foot the bill fighting the problem you have caused. Now carry on telling yourself how clever you are.

I have a life long autoimmune condition provoked by the Rubella vaccine. I could argue it the other way. I am pro vaccine by the way. I am currently researching a family from the 1840s who lost infant children to whooping cough and measles.

I think more people would vaccinate if the NHS were honest that in some rare cases vaccines do cause unforeseen side effects.

Read ‘The Herd’. A fictional book but based on facts. Then bloody vaccinate your children. Anti vaxxers putting their own children in danger are the worst.

I feel the same, totally reckless people without a thought for young babies like yours. They all need their head examining putting their children at risk.

My stepson is a staunch anti vaxxer. When my 4 month old was due his baby jabs I got inundated with stuff about why they're bad and one "article" was about how vaccination causes vot death. I ran everything through chat gpt which confirmed it was nonsense. Very annoying though cos its got my husband questioning if the mmr does indeed cause autism as all our kids are autistic

Who do you think sets the national curriculum... Where they will be taught about vaccination.

Probably best to opt out of that too then, no?

Adults with ’mouth ulcers’ risking babies’ physical and mental health - when that is the level of misconception it can’t be promising…

’feels’ versus herd immunity.

remarkable the pandemic taught most people the wrong lessons

I mean, you really aren’t concerned about your family if you don’t mind your kids dying of preventable disease 🤷‍♀️

IRL people do give a shit when one of their immune compromised relatives get seriously ill because of an unvaccinated person has been gallivanting around spreading their germs.

So am I.
I have rubbish eyesight as a result of having measles as a child.

I also remember seeing children in leg calipers as a result of contracting polio.

I don't know if it is still available on iPlayer but Michael Mosley did a brilliant TV series with the Open University called Pain, Pus and Poison. It told the extraordinary story of how the world’s most useful and valuable drugs were created, and how our search to cure ourselves of anything from the most common, to the most life threatening of ailments, has led to the discovery of some of the most widely used pharmaceuticals on the planet.

The episode about the development of vaccines brilliantly demonstrated how smallpox was wiped out.

Of course they are - they may affect the society as a whole….. as various epidemics indicate.

Here an anti-vaxxer clearly reveals that they don’t understand how vaccines work.

They do, they are just too polite to say it to your face.

My brother was in a coma through measles back in the 80’s, it’s a serious illness.

Lack of opportunity of getting vaccinated, if it is the immigrant population. People across Africa and India etc will walk and queue all day to have their children vaccinated. The people that don't want their children vaccinated are the ones who think that if we have enough to eat, our bodies can fight off every disease. Like elderly people, who've lived through killer childhood diseases, so do the populations from poorer countries/immigrant temporary housing and don't reject modern medicine. They grow up surrounded by death and disease.

It just makes me angry when the antivaxers are rejecting vaccinations for their children, but getting cosmetic injections from randoms working from home and also do drugs.

very ignorant comment . The point is it DOES impact us all.

in fact it’s the sort of idiotic comment someone with no understanding would make. Like hmmmm. An anti-vaxxer.

In the UK it's lefty 'alternative' parents

Anti-vaxxers are generally people who think they are more intelligent than the rest of us. They aren’t. They are people who don’t fully understand science and have got swept up in conspiracy.

Unvaccinated children should not be allowed in schools or childcare settings. If people don’t want to vaccinate their kids, fine, but their kids should not be mixing with others.

I agree there's lots of problems in the education system too such as bringing trans ideology into schools but that's another matter.

Wrong. They impact everyone.