I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

I worked on the frontline during COVID. We had one guy come in with hideously low sats, and clearly frightened, using what breath he had to rail about how COVID was made up and the government were trying to control him and Bill Gates was using the vaccine for mind control - the whole lot. We cared for him for nearly 3 weeks. In his final week, one of the last things he said to us while he was still able to talk was “I wish I had listened and had the jab”. He died a few days later. He was in his late 40s.

Spreading false information about vaccines affects everybody.

Banning anti-vaxxers kids from education is a terrible idea. They need educating by someone other than their (moronic) parents.

My mother is 86. When she was a child she lost a friend to measles and another to whooping cough. A third friend was left deaf by measles.Because of her experiences, and the fact that all of my friends had parents who also had direct experience of these horrific diseases, not a single one of us would have dreamt of being anti vaxx. My parents would have thought I was an absolute fool not to give my children the protection that was not available to them. The last generation to directly experience those horrors is gradually dying off. People have become complacent because we don't see people with polio( my secondary school art teacher had lost an arm to polio as a child), or brain damaged through measles or sterile because of mumps, so we waft about thinking it will all be okay and that there will be enough ' sheep' having the vaccination to mean that others can choose to opt out . There are plenty of videos online of children suffering these diseases. Good to have a look before you decide you won't bother.

You do realise that it’s only herd immunity that’s protecting your kids from measles?

Care to elaborate?

My irony meter just exploded.

Covid has given anti-vaxers the platform plus the growing cancer rates which no one can give a clear answer on. Everytime you see someone with cancer reported on in the media there are comments of it ‘was the covid vaccine?’ and it gets in your head after a while, when I had cancer last year I refused to have the Covid vaccine again as no one can tell me why as a healthy 40 year old with no family history I got cancer, just in case the vaccine caused it. Now I don’t believe it was but they can get in your head easily.

*I have a life long autoimmune condition provoked by the Rubella vaccine. I could argue it the other way. I am pro vaccine by the way. I am currently researching a family from the 1840s who lost infant children to whooping cough and measles.

I think more people would vaccinate if the NHS were honest that in some rare cases vaccines do cause unforeseen side effects.*

I am sorry that you were harmed by preventative medicine, and accept that there are risks as well as benefits to vaccines.

However, you were harmed as a result of your parents making a choice in the hope of benefiting both your future babies and those of other women. Harm was caused to one individual. I do not know how many of ds's student cohort are now infertile as a result of the mumps epidemic, or have also developed auto-immune conditions, or took the infection home to their infant relatives.

It’s not about ‘Feelies’ whatever the fuck they are, life or death choices in the hands of people that say things like that seem dangerous and wrong.

If an adult, it’s their choice not to get vaccinated but I can’t understand people who don’t get their kids vaccinated in this day and age. Measles can be fatal FFS.

Like others I would make a full suite of vaccinations compulsory if you want to send your kids to nursery/ school.

My kids have had all their vaccines other than covid. I didn't see the point of it ax they had already had covid 3 times by the time they were offered it and probably had equivalent immunity from infection. Anyone think I'm selfish for this?

It's given to anyone who is in an at risk group - family in countries where it is endemic, frequent travel there or contacts who travel.

It's not just a London thing - diversity exists outside of the M25

Yes, let's face it, some people are just too stupid to be trusted with this sort of decision, especially on behalf of an innocent child.

I think that we have a duty of care to protect our children. Why take the risk when there’s preventative measures in place to protect human life??

My babies were all vaccinated and so too were their babies.

Cases of tuberculosis in the UK had been noted to be on the increase as people arrive from other countries where vaccination programmes have not been made routinely available.

These diseases can kill or have a permanent impact on peoples health……..why would anyone put an infant at risk of brain damage, blindness, severe breathing difficulties etc.?

Does anyone remember the smallpox outbreak in the mid 60’s???? Although I was quite young the news articles terrified me, the rash was awful and left dreadful scars on patients that survived……many died as a result of contracting it. Through a rigorous vaccination programme Smallpox has all but been eradicated in the UK although I cannot comment on worldwide statistics.

I wonder what modern anti vaxers would have thought of Variolation rather then Vaccination. 1 in 10 chance of death, but for the 9 that survived they were immune to smallpox.

And I think my baby is more important than your feelies. 😒 Luckily I'm not an anti vaxxer and he's getting his jabs, but seeing a load of posters up in the hospital about a measles outbreak in the area when he was still a newborn and couldn't have the MMR yet made me worry.

DC had measles as a baby. It was not a simple childhood illness and I'm eternally grateful for the medicine and doctors that saved their life. And that's the thing I don't get. Anti-vaxxers choose not to protect their kids (and everyone else for that matter) but if their kids were one of the unfortunate ones who got really sick I'm pretty sure they'd be wanting 'big pharma' to step in and save them. If they don't, well fair enough but still mind blowing to me.

The selfishness of adults choosing not to vaccinate their children based on 'their research' astounds me but I guess some people are just selfish arses.

How do you read the OP which explicitly states a 10mth old contacted measles and formulate this response?!

It’s not just a lack of critical thinking it’s a total lack of brain power.

I'm not sure that the "hippy" anti vaxxers make up the majority of the unvaccinated population in Birmingham and London. Many of the unvaccinated are recent immigrants who aren't in the UK vaccine programme. There is also reluctance in some Muslims to have children vaccinated as they believe the MMR contains pork products.

It probably would be a good idea to promote vaccines to those groups, including a programme to target people entering the country.

She has the right to not vaccinate her child. Some people believe vaccinations can cause autism and they're scared.

That's not how vaccination works.

I think we should prosecute parents for child endangerment if their unvaccinated child has is damaged or dies from an illness preventable by vaccination.

Even if they are correct ( unlikely) surely they’d prefer an autistic child than a dead one?

Vaccines do not cause autism and their "belief" is unworthy of respect.