I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

So selfish, can't you see that you are potentially putting other peoples children at risk.
Main character syndrome.

I'm from the generation when people actually had these nasty diseases because there was no vaccine. Everyone should be getting their child vaccinated as soon as possible, after all they are the ones who will suffer the effects and won't thank their parents later on for not doing so! Measles is exceptionally contagious and is very unpleasant to have, it can cause deafness and in some cases kill. So unnecessary to put a child through that.

I hear you. The world can burn as long as you are alright!

What an attitude.

I agree. We should be like Australia and parts of where where no vaccination = no school. The parents who rely on herd immunity to protect their kids while refusing to vaccinate them need to have a look at themselves.

Covid vaccination was put out too soon. Before long term consequences could possibly be known. There is no hiding the terrible consequences that that has brought. The result is this had made people sceptical of all vaccines - even longstanding well established vaccines. The government could be transparent and recognise what happened - this might bring trust back. Government won't do that - yet. That increases dis-trust. Anti-vaxxers, generally, have thoroughly researched the topics and drawn their own conclusions. Personally, I wouldn't have the flu vaccine or covid vaccine. I won't use social media to say way. Its my choice - one of my sources of information was my GP - a government paid GP.
We see despicable, dangerous and life threatening decisions every day - think of damgerous drivers. Anti-vaxers, like immigrants get the brunt of public hate - and in this thread the unvaxed immigrants are getting it tight.

Shall we do a reprise of that in the 21st century?

Well, on the upside @Ineedcoffee2021 would get to be edgy.

A friend of a friend recently was diagnosed with CIN3 following a smear, her parents had refused the HPV vaccine when she was at school. Thankfully she’s treated but it’s really really affected their relationship negatively.

I remember when the MMR vaccine scare started and my parents who ran a GP practice spent so much time explaining to parents why the research was flawed, why the risk of an adverse effect even though present, was small compared to the risk of measles.

It would be good to teach herd immunity as part of history/geography in school. We were taught about the cholera outbreak as part of victorian history and about the importance of clean water and the beginning of epidemiology and how these decisions are made.

Presumably the anti-vax people have some reasons that make sense to them, even if they are misguided. Calling them morons on line isn’t going to make a difference, it only entrenched views. People of my generation usually had Mumps, Measles,Chicken Pox and Rubella as children and no one I know had any complications, excepting my mother who was very poorly with Measles as a baby. I had Measles at 14, Rubella at University and Chickenpox in my 30’s, none of them pleasant but over quickly.

Covid vaccination was put out too soon. Before long term consequences could possibly be known. There is no hiding the terrible consequences that that has brought.

Like the many lives it saved?

Ineedcoffee2021

You are so ill-informed it is breathtaking

Until the covid vaccines arrived I didn’t know many vaccine sceptics. They were the hippy dippy parents and I strongly believe in choice

post Covid I would say half my circle is now sceptical - take from that what you want

You have to remember that many people's reasoning is affected by the absurdities of religion, or by poorly or uneducated parents who have ingrained them with a fear of medical science. I just feel pity for them and their children.

I'd be angry at the parents who know they should vaccinate their children but simply can't be bothered.

A former colleague had the vaccine. She did react poorly to it.

She did however recognise that COVID itself would have reacted even worse with her.... She caught it afterwards and the symptoms were mild.

Despite everything her viewpoint was that the vaccine saved her life. 300,000 people were lost to that horrible disease, thank heavens the vaccine was available. Who knows what state we would be in without it

Me too. I have permanent eye damage due to contracting measles as a child. My cousin developed encephalitis and was left with LD's . My mums friends son was born blind after she contracted diring pregnancy. All in our 50's / 60's now.

A local childminder I’m friendly with told me that one of her mindees caught whopping cough because they hadn’t been vaccinated and the parents obviously hadn’t told her. CM’s small baby caught it. She also had a mindee at the time who’s DF was undergoing cancer treatment. The arrogance of those parents is breathtaking.

There is a thing called herd immunity - it's pretty important.

I'm thinking smallpox was BAD before there was a vaccine.

Sometimes others' medical choices are very much a concern for all.

I agree with other posters - it absolutely is for each parent to decide whether to vaccinate their child or not. But alongside that nurseries and schools should not be accommodating unvaccinated children. Unless a child cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Some children can't which makes it even more important that most children do take up vaccines to achieve herd immunity.
I work in the NHS now and have accepted vaccines , to protect myself and patients. It is a bit mind blowing that some parts of the population don't care at all about their communities or 'feelies' as one poster eloquently put it...
It is hard to be tolerant of ant vaxxers , tbh I am not.

They are when it comes to vaccinations.

Herd immunity isn't 'feelies'.

I am very certain that people who are baffled by anti vaxxers online are also baffled by them in real life. People are probably being polite and know there is no point in engaging with discussion.

Based on my experience there is literally zero point in engaging in a dialogue with them. It does not matter how much actual scientific evidence you present them with they will not listen. Instead they spout the same nonsense that Wakefield started spouting in the 90s, vaccines are poison, covid. Basically all the mis and disinformation they saw online and lapped u as they lack the ability to think critically.

So I will not engage with anri vaxxers in real life as I can't be bothered wasting my breath. I live my life by a Bill Murray quote, "never argue with stupid people as you cannot win."

Yes they most certainly are. You clearly have no idea how vaccines work.

Rubbish - it affects others, individuals don't have the right to make choices that lead to others suffering the consequences of their stupidity.

Me too OP. There should be laws for it. It’s absolutely neglect to not vaccinate your children against life changing/ending diseases over outdated, debunked information.

the same people crying about what’s in vaccines are the same people pumping their children full of processed shite at dinner time. Vaccines are the least of their concerns.

I honestly think some of them now have this overbearing need to stand their ground and are purely being stubborn, while knowing they are in fact wrong.

There was a case recently where a woman’s baby died as a results of the other being unvaccinated and contracting measles while she was pregnant. The baby contracted the virus in her womb and died after it was born. Tragic and horrible case but it goes to show it’s not just the worry of whether they’ll catch it as a child and be affected, it’s going to follow them for the rest of their lives. I do wonder if this poor woman resents her mother for not getting her vaccinated. I certainly would.

@Ineedcoffee2021 sounds like a parody account. Such a neat example of the stereotypical antivaxxer and (sadly) similar to a few people I've had the misfortune to speak with on the matter IRL. It's part of this awful anti-science, anti-society, cult-driven mindset that has been a feature of certain political groups in recent years, headed up by the likes of Trump and Farage. These people wear their ignorance like a badge of honour and care more about attempting to cause emotional distress to others than they do about facts and the actual material effects of their decisions. Hence the silly, childish comment about "feelies" whilst being unable to actually engage with the subject and talk about why they think vaccinations are not a positive thing. Science doesn't come into it. They see science as "lefty".