I hate anti-vaxxers

[An89]

How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

Of course they are you ignoramus.

You didn't vaccinate your first child and you were lucky and they didn't catch it now they are old enough they might not get xyz badly of they get it. But your baby catches it from your first child and dies, just get them vaccinated as soon as possible.

@JohnnysMama

"I can see that the lives of children who have been harmed by vaccines don’t seem to matter much or be acknowledged in this thread. Some children do die or suffer severe, life-altering reactions from vaccines — this is a fact."

Yes it is that some children do die or suffer severe life altering reactions from vaccines. But equally it is a fact that some children do die or suffer severe altering reactions from viruses such as mumps, measles, polio or even chickenpox that could have been prevented with a vaccine.

What you have to look at is what is the risk probability of suffering a severe/ life threatening reaction to the vaccine versus what is the risk probability of sufferers a severe/ life threatening reaction to the actual virus.

For nearly all childhood vaccines the risk probability of the actual virus is far far greater than the vaccine. And you can easily get the data on this. The one exception I would make was giving children covid vaccines when the under 21s were at a very low risk from COVID whereas the risk probability of giving children a very new vaccine was quite high.

It amazes me how so many parents rushed to get their children COVID vaccines yet failed to get children vaccinated against COVID.

If COVID vaccines for children was such a great idea then why is it no longer recommended?

@1dayatatime
It amazes me how so many parents rushed to get their children COVID vaccines yet failed to get children vaccinated against COVID
Sorry? I don’t understand what this means.

@cardibach

Sorry- typo / brain fried after hosting a children's birthday party today!

Should have read:

"It amazes me how so many parents rushed to get their children COVID vaccines yet failed to get children vaccinated against chickenpox "

Do the NHS do chickenpox vaccines now? Wasn't an option when my kids were young

And if they catch it as an adult, they are even more likely to be seriously affected.

You can do it privately, however veeeery expensive and two shots needed.

Utter rubbish. Diseases don't tend to kill everyone who catches it (I survived COVID, but I'd had three vaccines and have what I consider a very good immune system, but still felt dreadful for a week.) I seem to fight off colds before they even begin sometimes, but the third time I get it. Meanwhile, in the real world... Measles used to kill a hell of a lot more people than it does now. I am not risking it. Anyone having a bad reaction to vaccines is a shame, but things like that happen. Some people are deadly allergic to things like peanuts, there aren't anti peanut groups (that I'm aware of) trying to get people to stop eating peanuts.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013

Just googled and it's £75 per dose, so £150 as you need two. Lots of people can't afford that!

Yes, especially if you have 2 or more kids .I believe there are some hidden fees in this, my friend spent more than a month looking for cheapest option , £94 for a shot.

Exactly. Given that peanuts are deadly allergic to some, those who believe everyone should vaccinate themselves to protect those vulnerable absolutely should advocate for all peanuts to be banned - what compelling reason would there to be to not ban peanuts? Is a bag of peanuts worth a life? And what next - eggs, dairy, sesame….

For what it’s worth my son is actually allergic to nuts and must carry an epi pen. I don’t expect people to stop eating nuts. I believe the onus is on us to keep him safe to the best of our ability.

The lies are absolutely ridiculous. Your son is allergic enough to nuts to need an epi pen. Right. Is this the child that’s so healthy he’s only ever needed a single dose of calpol, or are we supposed to believe he’s the one who’s only ever needed a single dose of antibiotics? 🤣 Or is he the one that’s so healthy he’s only ever needed a single dose of antibiotics but you also claim is vaccine injured…..?

Assuming what you have said was true about him needing an epi-pen: so, it’s fine for him to be injected with a substance to protect him if he comes into contact with nuts, but not for him to be a injected with a substance to protect him if he comes into contact with a potentially fatal disease…..?

Yep, my child with a peanut allergy has never needed calpol and he’s had antibiotics once.

I KNEW you’d be here before I even came back to the thread 😂

He’s not the one who’s vaccine injured though fyi.

And thank GOD we’ve never had to use his epi pen, but of course if we had to in a life threatening allergic reaction I would give him adrenaline via the auto injector to save his life. I do not think measles / mumps / rubella etc etc pose the same risk. You’d be an absolute idiot to suggest they do.

I am not petitioning or expecting every single person stop eating nuts because he’s vulnerable though. That’s the difference.

I love watching you tie yourself in knots. It’s really quite something. If you don’t want to be called out on lies and bullshit about medicine, maybe stick to American mom groups on facebook - they’d be more your tin hat wearing vibe.

so many people having issues with the Covid jab but you hate us who didn’t get it? I’m glad I didn’t and my exes mum actually died after getting it, no prior health issues

You can believe I’m lying if it makes you feel better. As I said to you before, I know the truth and I’m comfortable with our choices based on this.

You are vile.

I am not the one denying my children pain relief and medical care.

Obviously you didn’t read thread before posting. Very few people have issues with the Covid jab. (I seriously doubt your exes’ mum died after receiving it, BTW. You might have thrown in a few extra ‘exes’ mum’s cousin’s neighbour’s hairdresser’ for effect.)

It doesn't matter if everyone vaccinated their children there's a good chance your child can still get sick. COVID vaccine proved that people were still getting sick even after having the vaccine. The vaccine helps to minimise the illness but no vaccine can prevent your child from ever catching mumps or measles.

My son caught COVID before he was allowed to be vaccinated I layed beside him even kissed his forehead. I didn't catch it and I was vaccinated. Not everyone's immunity is strong even after vaccination. That's not the fault of people who decide not to vaccinate themselves or their children.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/vaccine-efficacy-effectiveness-and-protection#:~:text=Vaccines%20can%20stop%20most%20people,that%20they%20can%20get%20infected.

Vaccine protection and infection

Vaccines can stop most people from getting sick, but not everyone. Even after someone receives all of the recommended doses and waits a few weeks for immunity to build up, there is still a chance that they can get infected. Vaccines do not provide full (100%) protection because of many factors, including our individual differences in immunity and response to infection.

Breakthrough infections’ – where people get infected despite having been fully vaccinated – can occur.

A lot of healthy people died during COVID. I've seen footballers drop in the middle of the pitch having a heart attack, healthy people as well. You can't be so sure she didn't have any underlying issues because at the time they weren't going to investigate what it was. It was all COVID.

How do you keep your child safe from measles?

How does someone who is pregnant keep themselves safe from someone with rubella?

those who believe everyone should vaccinate themselves to protect those vulnerable absolutely should advocate for all peanuts to be banned

My son is allergic to peanuts, but his allergies are not triggered by other people eating peanuts. They are not contagious like measles. He can protect himself by checking labels and not eating peanuts - people with infectious diseases are not labelled, so others could avoid them.