I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

But the automatic assumption by another poster was that my parents had screwed up.

That poster wasn’t me. I was replying to an antivaxxer.

It was Grex

@HelenaWaiting

"@1dayatatime I've read some nonsense in my time, but this takes the biscuit. Defining the difference between a vaccine and a jab? "Jab" being slang for an injection has no medical definition. None whatsoever. You can be vaccinated against some diseases, you can be inoculated against others. You can call either or both "jabs" if you like, but it has no medical meaning. Stop peddling nonsense."

Perhaps I worded it poorly in non medical terminology but I was trying to differentiate between a one time vaccine for something like a polio that offers long term protection and greatly reduces prevent transmission as well as preventing paralysis etc and the "flu jab" that doesn't provide long term protection, doesn't prevent transmission but greatly reduces the symptoms if you get it. But the flu virus mutates every year meaning that it has to keep being updated meaning annual "annual flu jabs". Covid is the same and has to be updated annually

Unfortunately because both are lumped under the name "vaccine " there are many who wrongly believed the "covid vaccine " offered long term protection, one time treatment as well as preventing transmission. This message was encouraged at the time.

Unfortunately this meant that many of those who eagerly signed up to the COVID vaccine expecting long term protection and prevention of transmission became disillusioned when this turned out not to be the case. This in turn led to a push back against all vaccinations including those that do offer long term protection and prevent transmission.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/08/nhs-doctor-challenges-sajid-javid-over-covid-vaccination-rules

Good grief, that’s a horrific thing, but very common. It a bit like the ‘I’m doing this birth alone in a field with nature’ brigade. Yes because you’ve forgotten what the reality is for many women.

Anti vaxers are deluded.

Should anti vaxxers have bodily autonomy not to have them though?

@ukathleticscoach

"Flu or covid vaccinations could be seen as a matter of choice for your children.

Anyone not giving their child the standard childhood vaccinations is a different matter.

It's ok to practice your uneducated google conspiracy theories on yourself but to impose them on your children is abuse in my opinion and putting the general population at risk."

I agree with your post. But what I find completely illogical is that more parents rushed out to get their children the Covid vaccine than vaccinated their children against chickenpox. The under 21s are the lowest risk category for COVID yet around 20 children die every year from chickenpox.

www.nursingtimes.net/public-health/chickenpox-factsheet-on-nursing-childhood-infectious-diseases-17-03-2025/

Also whilst the number of children dying per year fell during the pandemic years, the number dying since the end of the pandemic has risen sharply. Whilst the cause is complex, one of the reasons is long term illnesses going undiagnosed during the pandemic:

arc-w.nihr.ac.uk/news/child-mortality-has-risen-since-pandemic-new-study-shows/

Of course they should. But they must also accept the consequences of their actions. I lean towards the requirement that children must be immunised to access childcare and school, unless there is a medical reason why they cannot be immunised. Certain imms, such as HPV, could possibly be optional, as HPV does not cause the same life-threatening epidemics as other infectious diseases. But diphtheria, whooping cough, mumps, measles and rubella should be a minimum requirement.

An anti-vaxer choosing not to protect their children would have to accept the consequence that they cannot access childcare out school, in much the same way that as anti-maskers had to accept being turned away from shops and other services during Covid.

Agreed
And the results of the poll imply many agree.

It's this kind of utter BS that I find so depressing. Look up herd immunity, educate yourself.

I agree with this; unless there are actual medical reasons for not vaccinating. It is outrageous that these ignorant fools with their attempted sarcasm about feelies [shudders at awful term] are allowed to infect and affect us and our children with their uninformed, misguided nonsense because they think they know better.

This is the problem.

You've got selfish dimwits who don't understand herd immunity or the concept of living in a cohesive society.

They want all the benefits of herd immunity without having to burden themselves with the risks involved with vaccination which, whilst tiny do exist.

They don't care about the immuno compromised. They don't care about anyone by me, me, me. Truly amoral people.

I don't think they should be forced to be vaccinated. But I do believe they and their germ laden sprogs should be excluded from schools, public buildings etc.

They've got no interest in making the world safer for the rest of us so why should they get to live alongside us?

What makes you think you know it all? Very ignorant comment.

So what do you think herd immunity is and what are the advantages of it?

They did their basic studies at the College of Twitter/X then got their medical degrees at the University of YouTube

Vaccine injury is so rare it is cannot be diagnosed by a gp.

So your children have indeed been ill and you think your supposed “love and care” and praying replaces appropriate pain relief? We have a name for that. It’s neglect.

I am neither hateful nor full of resentment. I am frustrated that ignorant people like you abuse their children by denying them potentially lifesaving healthcare.

No internet too then, right?

@DucklingSwimmingInstructress Are you really proposing banning the unjabbed from using the internet?

Erm, this is fact. Whereas anti-vaxxers base their ideology on conspiracy theories.

Disgusting way to think. You arent benefitting your kids either, I can tell you that much. Personally feel refusing to vaccinate your children warrants a social services referral.

The problem with that is that it will isolate even further the children of the people with these views in homes where lord only knows what other craziness is going on.

@BitOutOfPractice agree. I think there should be some consequence too like @Pipsquiggle suggests but what can you realistically do that doesn’t disadvantage children who would be suffering through no fault of their own but rather their parents poor choices and lack of scientific intellect. And we don’t tax other choice related illness eg. You have a heart attack- did you eat foods that were known to increase coronary artery disease risk. Whether obese or not, because many people think if you’re fat you are automatically carrying risk factors for illness which is not true, much more likely yes but some obesity comes with no increased health risks. Some normal weight individuals have high cholesterol through non familial
factors etc. smokers are the highest risk of all acquired disease same with some high risk sports enthusiasts, you ride horses/ski/motor sports. All risk of fairly high tariff injuries through choice. The differences with that is that they may influence their children through their lifestyle choices but don’t actively put them at harm as much as non vaxxers. Australia do have some areas that will not register non vax children with gp’s/schools etc. I don’t hate it but I am conflicted see above.

How about telling your facts to the mothers of vulnerable children who have died after catching infectious diseases from other children who need not have caught and spread them if they had been vaccinated?

Trouble is they have dunning kruger syndrome going on, too ignorant to know they are being ignorant.
It is actually scary how they believe they are right , but dont understand the very basics of the illnesses and vaccines and how they work and no common sense.