I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

This nails it.

The only reason people can say "I care only about my family and that's why I won't vaccinate" is because most people don't and herd immunity is still working. If everyone decided the same... We would be back to hundreds of thousands of cases and hundreds of deaths a year (+ thousands of lifetime effects of he illness). And that's just measels.

Having a choice to not vaccinate (without need to have x kids so at least few survive to adulthood) is one of the biggest misguided privileges there is imho.

I once heard that if you choose to not vaccinate that if you get ill from that disease that you should then foot the bill rather than the nhs.

While half of me agrees, the other half says where does it stop, not eating enough veg / smoking / drinking all these things affect health and could be payable too.

I obviously didn't word my pp very well. I'll try again.
Bearing in mind the millions of Covid vaccinations given out world wide, few people have had a bad reaction to the Covid vaccination. Unfortunately, I'm one of them. For the vast majority of people, the vaccination safely prevents them having Covid or mitigates it and it also helps with herd immunity.
If I hadn't had a bad reaction to the last 2 Covid vaccinations, I'd have happily had further vaccinations - partly to help protect me from having Covid badly, and partly to aid herd immunity. (I had Covid before my vaccination and have been left with Long Covid. If I could safely have the vaccination, I'd certainly want to help others avoid Long Covid. It's affected my life and the lives of my family, too.)

The issue is that usually adults (who ironically come from generations with high vaccination rates) make those decisions for their children. If it was about vaccines that are given in adult age I would agree.

When it comes to infectious diseases and the loss of herd immunity, yes they fucking are.

My mother was left deaf and partially sighted due to contracting measles as a child. This impacted her entire life and she felt passionately about vaccinations.
I also have a friend who for medical reasons hasn’t been vaccinated, she benefits from societies herd immunity. To be honest if I knew any of my friends were anti-vax I wouldn’t be able to continue that friendship. Purely because after watching my mums struggles I wouldn’t be able to understand them putting their own children at risk.

Flu or covid vaccinations could be seen as a matter of choice for your children.

Anyone not giving their child the standard childhood vaccinations is a different matter.

Its ok to practice your uneducated google conspiracy theories on yourself but to impose them on your children is abuse in my opinion and putting the general population at risk.

No, I don't hate anti vaxxers. I hate the aggressive, belligerent and small minded attitudes of some on here, but I don't think these individuals tell the whole story. Many anti vaxxers are refusing due to fear and suspicion. Sometimes based in a historical context where their demographic was experimented on, or where they believe research has not taken account of health issues effecting people from their group. This is understandable and isn't addressed by scolding, shaming and hating, but by reassurance from trusted sources.

That’s not true. Infectious diseases are only kept under control and epidemics prevented if the take-up of vaccines is at a certain level.
From the World Health Organisation:
"The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated. For polio, the threshold is about 80%."

I am deaf because I caught measles at 6 months old. Obviously, from an unvaccinated person. It's completely impacted my life from education, career, relationships. People are selfish twats.

You'd be surprised, COVID vaccination is 75% of UK adults, there are many silently unjabbed as well a small vocal minority which is what you term antivaxers.

You do not propose opting out, you propose locking out which is an entirely different thing.

I think there's still negativity and false information circulating about MMR and links to autism. My son had the MMR and he's on the way to being diagnosed but I guarantee he was always going to be this way, vaccine or not. I flagged up concerns with my HV at 8m before he had the jabs. I had them too and I'm not autistic

Thank you for explaining. My point still is, that there is no way of determining whether you can safely have the vaccine or not. There have been many reports of adverse affects, some leading to death. It’s entirely reasonable for someone to not want to take that risk.

I don’t hate them per se, I just hate how preachy (& a bit stupid) they are… fine if they want to believe the conspiracy bull shit (although some of it could actually turn out to be true), but why do they need everyone to know their thoughts feelings so much? Like posting aggressive stuff on social media constantly. You don’t see ‘pro-vaxxers’ going on and on about their viewpoint and using derogatory language, they just seem more live and let live than anti vax morons.

Why do you think there is a difference in yours and your sister's health?

The same could be said about my brother and I, he has never been in hospital, never had more thana cold.

I have a list of chronic conditions as long as your arm.

The only difference between out vaccinations is that I had rubella and he didn't (it was only given to girls at the time).

We just need to keep these people away from normal society.
No NHS, No schools, No care homes, no you can't use the library / police / local pool.

If they don't want to join in and take care of society by getting standard vaccines - fine. Fuck off then.

How dare you, the unvaccinated person who gave me measles at 6 months old and robbed me of my hearing is absolutely my concern you fool.

unvaccinated individuals put others at risk, end of. Maybe look at how smallpox was erradicated to help you understand what a boon vaccinations are. Smallpox was eradicated through a global, decades-long effort focused on vaccination and surveillance-containment strategies, culminating in the disease's official declaration as eradicated in 1980. The success of the eradication campaign was largely due to the discovery of the smallpox vaccine by Edward Jenner in 1796 and the subsequent implementation of widespread vaccination programs and targeted containment strategies. Now have a think about polio, Cases of polio in the UK fell dramatically when routine vaccination was introduced in the mid-1950s. There hasn't been a case of polio caught in the UK since the mid-90s. But the infection is still found in some parts of the world, and there remains a very small risk it could be brought back to the UK. I had the polio vaccine when I was very small and I can remember seeing children older than me who had contracted polio and who had damaged limbs. Parents were beyond grateful when the vaccine was developed.

I also have auto immune disease, and a link between vaccines and the increase in cases is being researched. I have chosen to vaccinate as the more immediate consequences are far worse from out of control disease.

What is known, however, is that the risk of vaccines is less than the risk of the diseases themselves. There’s no way of determining whether your kid can ‘safely’ have measles etc if there’s an epidemic.

As long as we don't need to pay taxes and are not subject to your laws then that's fine.

There was no whooping cough vaccine when I was a child and I think I was about 6 when I caught it and was seriously unwell. Luckily I did not have to be hospitalised but I can still remember how unpleasant and scary it was. Why risk putting your child through a nasty illness at best and something that could really damage them at worst. I caught it again in winter 2024 and was ill for a month and left weak and tired for quite a while afterwards.

I think people are so removed from seeing people with long term implications of catching these diseases.
My grandma has measles as a child and poor sight and a turned eye, affected her all her life, she was so self conscious wouldn’t have photo taken plus needed thick glasses. You also used to see people dragging their leg with built up shoes from contracting polio.
My dc is currently abroad at a summer camp working and all staff and kids need to be vaccinated.

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