I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

Recent detection: In 2022 and 2023, vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 (VDPV2) was detected in sewage samples from London and other areas, leading to a vaccine-catch-up campaign for children in London.

^ the risk at the moment comes from the vaccine.

Your own children are at so much more risk from this than strangers on the internet.

At least think of them when you are making medical choices.

I remember when I came to UK not long after there was measles outbreak in my area. I had to check 3x if it really talked about UK. Couldn't comprehend developed country having these issues having grown up in post com country with no vaccine - no state school unless medical exempt...

Thank you. I was injured by just a week on a first generation typical antipsychotic called Pericyazine that was prescribed off label for severe anxiety and insomnia after a head injury.

My movement disorder called tardive dyskinesia is a bit like Tourette's and Parkinson's disease combined, and is horrible. The impact on my life can't be understated, and I rue the day I took thd drugs a decade ago.

If I'd known how I was able to metabolise the stuff, I'd have never taken the drug. A pharmacogenetics test that I paid for subsequently showed I can't safely take anything like antipsychotics.

If vaccines save lives, that is marvellous. I'm not against any of this at all. I'm just sad for those who are harmed by the drugs meant to help. Until you have lived with this type of medication induced injury, you don't understand how awful it is 😭💔

others medical choices are none of your concern

I think of it like seatbelts. It may be that you don't think your kids should wear seatbelts. But as a society, we don't feel you have the right to be that lacklustre about caring for your kids, so we insist on seatbelts for all kids, whether you like it or not. The idea is that no kids should be put at risk by their parents.

The following is from www.gov.k and I hope you find it reasurring re the possiblity of polio infection from water sources in the UK.

The detection of a VDPV2 suggests it is likely there has been some spread between closely-linked individuals in North and East London and that they are now shedding the type 2 poliovirus strain in their faeces. The virus has only been detected in sewage samples and no associated cases of paralysis have been reported – but investigations will aim to establish if any community transmission is occurring.
The last case of wild polio contracted in the UK was confirmed in 1984. The UK was declared polio-free in 2003.
Dr Vanessa Saliba, Consultant Epidemiologist at UKHSA said:
"Vaccine-derived poliovirus is rare and the risk to the public overall is extremely low"

Same for me, but where I am chickenpox is covered. We weren't here when my kids were little so when we moved they had to have all vaccines 100% up to date before they could step foot in school, nursery, holiday camp and even university. Mine had had chickenpox but we either had to prove this through doctors' notes or get the vaccine

Do you not understand how vaccines work for contagious diseases. Herd immunity is our friend.

I agree with this. Education is key about what these diseases can do as is honesty about limitations of vaccines, inc. how long they last. E.g. some countries provide a booster to older children for whooping cough as that wanes over time. A number vaccinate against chickenpox. I guess it’s a balancing act on cost etc, but there’s a tendency to look at hospitalisations and deaths only, or let kids get more ill than they need to as a weird rite of passage here. We let a novel virus rip through kids here before many of them were even eligible for vaccination and hugely reduced our vaccine offer and eligibility quickly in relation to other countries.

The last ONS survey (2024) on long covid in kids showed that an average of 1,000 children per week got long covid in England, yet they’re told to attend when contagious. As well as the impacts on kids, they also don’t live in a bubble and literally hundreds of thousands of people have lost their health and had to stop working due to long covid.

My kids are vaccinated. However, I don’t believe in forced vaccination or forced infection.

I know that there's currently a big drive trying to get the Muslim community vaccinated here. Because they think they all have pork gelatin in, they have never been vaccinated. They used to, but most newer vaccinations don't have pork in them now.

Oh here we go, someone who doesn’t understand the difference between not liking something and a genuine phobia. They were out in force in 2021.

As the Covid jab won’t prevent me getting it or spreading it and there’s no herd immunity then the only person I’m possibly affecting is myself.

I am absolutely not anti vax but choose not to put myself through unnecessary vaccinations when they won’t affect other people. There’s a huge difference between measles, polio etc. and the Covid vaccine

I think this is probably true. I was grateful for the vaccine and last year also paid for a booster jab, but I’m aware that many people did have reactions and there was quite a lot of hysteria around it at the time where people felt forced to take a booster when their body hadn’t reacted well to the first one.

I also think that the circumstances of lockdown with people being isolated from society and more attached to the internet meant that a lot more people got caught up in conspiracy theories.

DS has just gone travelling and he's had the recommended vaccines for the area he's going.

I wonder if people who are opposed to vaccines are prepared to take the risks when travelling to foreign countries with different public health systems and that are potentially less sanitary than the UK?

Also it’s worth noting that had these viral diseases been allowed to circulate they would have naturally produced herd inmmunity

How would that work then?

It’s the uneducated who would rather believe social media than medical experts who have spent their life researching and saving lives

I’d love to know if any of these anti vaxers have any medical background, degree, doctorate because they won’t.

there is an element of arrogance that they think they know best because they read something on insta 🙄

they’re the same ppl who think chemotherapy is a conspiracy and doesn’t work to help target cancer

It's a deal. I have a young friend like this. Always quoting Ayn Rand and other ' libertarians '. But he won't follow the logic to its conclusion. Keeps using roads and railways even though ' all taxation is theft '

My DS had all his childhood jabs (mid 1980s)

In his class were children whose parents did not let them have any jabs at all from birth. DS moved through the school years with this particular group and they were all friends.

At 15, he caught measles… he was (rapidly) so ill, he collapsed in my arms on the stairs taking us both crashing down them. He was extremely ill for 3 weeks, I was not allowed to take him to the GP, but they did come out to us, masked and gloved. The GP told me he had never seen such a bad case of measles.
He had infected spots and sores so bad that he has the scars now - he’s 40 years old. Every single part of his body was so sore that he wore just a cotton sheet for 10 days. I was petrified he would die as we struggled to control his fever.

I have no time for anti-vaxxers.

This selfishness is abhorrent! You and your unvaxxed children could get the diseases and could fall really ill from it, or die, or be fine and still pass it on to someone else to become really ill or die - that someone else could be another child or a baby, and you stand there saying you don't care?
That's just criminal, tbh.

No one should be "forced" to vaccinate. However, I do think it should be a requirement in order to enroll in any state funded education facility. Exemptions on medical grounds only.

I’m hating…
God, your attitude is vile. My DS suffered hugely at 15 years old because of people like you. Breathtaking stupidity.

If you wanted to visit third-world and tropical countries with diseases that would most definitely kill you, surely you’d take the vaccines?

Why should your kids roam round like Typhoid Mary, infecting those who have done their best for their own children, cos you don’t give a shit.

Too right I’m hating.

This sounds awful and very frightening for you, but are you saying he contracted measles despite being vaccinated?

@GarlicMetre I'm clinically vulnerable myself . I would not expect people to stay at home, but I think the wearing of masks during flu/covid season for those who can wear them if they feel unwell if sensible and reasonable . Not everyone can work from home though and we must consider other health issues that mean people need to go out and socialise or attend doctors or therapy or physio appointments, time with family friends religion or hobbies et C. It's not normal to lock down long term.

I hate when I see people cough or sneeze without covering their mouth etc. Yes it might be asthma or hayfever. But even if it is you don't know what germs you already may be incubating. I remember as a child being told to cover your mouth and nose and not spit on the street. it's just basic manners. I am appalled to see people not doing the bare minimum.

There will always be some non-responders. Herd immunity is what protects them.

Three main types of anti vaxxers:

The arrogant - those who believe they are the chosen ones who see oh so much clearer than the rest of us sightless sheep. Usually men in the age bracket of about 25-50.

The worriers - those who have believed the above people's bollocks and are now scared and believe the vaccines cause all sorts, from microchipping to autism.

The stupid - Again, those who have believed the above people's nonsense and have no logical thinking skills of their own.

All in all - not a sub group I would want to be in. I also have zero time for anti vaxxers OP.

Apparently, as he was the only one vaccinated in his group of ( 5/6?) friends who were all ill at the same time, his body was over-whelmed by the disease. I kept asking why he had caught it and why he was so so ill… the doctor said it was a rare perfect storm, and the various strains of the unvaxxed boys around just beat him. Many were ill that term, but he was by far the worst affected.