I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

Do you drive drunk? If not, why are you letting the state control you?

It sounds like I want to neglect my kids does it?

Yes, I will have the shingles vaccine once I am old enough but there was no vaccination for Chickenpox when I and my oldest son had it.

I don't drive and you wouldn't if you cared about c02 emissions and my childrens health.

Ha! I don't drive either. Live in London so don't need to.
But are you ok with others driving drunk? The driver of the bus or train you take? Who needs state control after all?

All of this stems back to that absolute C u N t Andrew Wakefield.

He was convicted for fraud. He was struck off for fraud.

His study was shite, if he (or his followers) were so committed to his methodology, they could have repeated it to prove he was right - no on has - EVER.

We were once a measles free country, in 2017 we lost that status as less than 95% of the country was vaccinated - SHAME ON ALL the thick, selfish people who think they know better.

The problem with vaccinations is that they've removed the diseases that they are supposed to protect against, as they are supposed to. If you don't see children dying or going blind from measles there's no impetuous to get vaccinated.

When I was young , before measles vaccinations were introduced, I had measles and there was worries about my sight. I still have sensitive eyes that are easily irritated. They've not seen children with calipers or in an iron lung due to polio.

Wow go to work for a few hours......

I cant reply to everyone and since much is repeated, everyone should find a response to their question somewhere

forthispostonly It's not for someone else's "feelies".
It's to prevent outbreaks of dangerous diseases that we had eradicated in the UK until recently.

Well isnt it lucky im in Aus lol

Mustardmummy23 what if your child got measles, gave it to a newborn baby and that baby died?
If DD got it she wouldnt be going out and did have one when younger so may still be covered, im not sure
We dont have any newborns in our circle

HedwigIsMySpiritAnimal
When it comes to vaccines they’re everyone’s concern! Do you understand how herd immunity works??**
Jesus the ignorance is terrifying

Its really not, i dont care if you have them or not, wont try and change your mind either way
What i do with my body is my choice
Nah, just honest but again, im not out to change anyones mind, your choice is yours

Neemie
Look up pictures of small pox and then see how your own ‘feelies’ feel. Fortunately, due to mass vaccination, it has been eradicated so you don’t have to worry about dying or being disfigured by it.

Maybe see my response to the feeling empathy thread
Plus, i was 13 scrolling rotton.com, not much shocks me on a screen at 37

BridgeNewton
They are everybody's concern if those decisions can harm other people.
Antivaxxers put other people at risk through their own ignorance and/or stupidity. Parents who don't vaccinate their children (without any sound medical reason) should be charged with child abuse and prosecuted.

Its really not
Who said my kid isnt vaxxed, till a certain point? DH wanted it done when DD was young, i wasnt fussed, as her parent he got a say too. NOW he is more vocal anti vax than me thanks to covid
Now she gets a choice and its on the get round to it at some point for her, she in no rush but not opposed them apart from flu and covid

*Springtimehere *
Well it is our concern when internationally herd immunity is how it is contained.
Morons taking a choice to risk others including there poor children.
It is on our new's as well thats the problem.
Anti vaxxers are morons.**

Nobody changes their mind on name calling lol
Why assume those who dont vaccinate themselves dont get their kid done? See above

sashh
Have you heard of Mary Mallon? Her 'medical choices' killed up to 50 people.
Sometimes they are none of anyone else's business but sometimes it very much is.
Bit extreme
I highly doubt me not getting vaxxed would cause anything similar

Slightyamusedandsilly
IRL people DO give a shit but we're busy with our everyday lives and it doesn't come up.
If we knew you were anti-vax IRL we would ostracise you.

And yet my experience is vastly different
It comes up when people ask why i lost my supermarket job

Planesmistakenforstars ·
Fortunately you and your family are protected by people with fully functioning brain cells. Actual adult cognition and reasoning is not usually called "feelies."

and that type of response is supposed to what? make me change my mind? "oh someone on the internet was mean, i better got get vaxxed"

Shenmen
Fuck all to do with "feelies', everything to do with the potential death or disability of the immunocompromised such as my 6 year old niece.

Reality is someone can be vaxxed to the hills, it not make any immunity but they have no idea, they got vaxxed, job done and then they go out sick thinking its ok cos the vaxxed
I just stay home if im sick

Fargo79

sounds like a parody account. Such a neat example of the stereotypical antivaxxer and (sadly) similar to a few people I've had the misfortune to speak with on the matter IRL. It's part of this awful anti-science, anti-society, cult-driven mindset that has been a feature of certain political groups in recent years, headed up by the likes of Trump and Farage. These people wear their ignorance like a badge of honour and care more about attempting to cause emotional distress to others than they do about facts and the actual material effects of their decisions. Hence the silly, childish comment about "feelies" whilst being unable to actually engage with the subject and talk about why they think vaccinations are not a positive thing. Science doesn't come into it. They see science as "lefty"

Nah been around for a while now - to clear a few things up
Im anti for me, for my own reasons, what you do is your business, i dont try change anyones mind
I dont fall either side politically, i had no idea Aus even called an election until the posters started popping up on the roadside
Feelies - faster to write before i went to work, dont read too deeply into it
Essentially, other peoples opinions on my vax status dont matter to me - see feelies was faster
Nah ive had medical negligence as a kid and adult that makes me stay away from drs and medical things
DD makes her own choices, as does DH - its not on me to influence them

I'm pro-vaccine, but I'm seriously anti-forced-vaccine. Covid turned me significantly that way. I was basically forced (lose my career if I didn't comply) into the initial covid jabs and I've been left with long term damage as a result - thankfully the booster requirements were reduced before I had to have those because I still deal with constant joint pain and auto immune conditions and I would have had to have the boosters or lose my career otherwise.

Occ Health incidentally know my jab status and my rationale for not wanting boosters and are OK with that and I have the full Pokemon collection of other jabs needed to work in healthcare just fine.

Having been in that situation and had the consent element essentially removed - for all that I was asked "do I consent" when the alternative was throwing away a university education, thousands of student debt and the ability to pay your mortgage - it wasn't really consent at all - I will never join the pitchforks baying for mandatory vaccination or removal from society - how quickly it descended during covid terrified me.

It's also the only jab I've declined for my kids - after seeing how it caused havoc with my immune system I didn't want to risk it with kids who have half my genetics.

And no I don't believe the Covid jabs cause cancer, improve 5G reception or anything like that nonsense - I just believe that every single thing we do to our bodies has the potential for someone to react adversely and on this occasion I got the unlucky end of things and wanted to keep the choice to decline anything that might make it worse for me to live with long term.

There are subtleties to the discussion that get conveniently wiped out in this whole pro-vaccine=good, anti-vax=idiotic dickheads who support Trump shite that it invariably descends to online... which is why I shall post this and then hide the thread because the only thing that vaccines consistently do without any risks of failure or adverse effects is to send internet arguments down the shitter of insult hurling rapidly

Oh dear, the morning anti vaxx bat signal obviously went up and called them in.

Do you or your children enjoy sport - swimming, or running or cycling, playing tennis, football, just being able to mess about outside? Even being able to walk more than a couple of hundred metres without falling over. My MIL has been able to do none of those things since she was 6. She falls most weeks, has broken most of her major bones and quite a lot of her smaller ones. Why? Because she wasn't vaccinated against polio as a child. She lost friends to it and has lived her entire life disabled and is now largely housebound.

In her case, it was because the vaccine only came out the year after she contracted it. She is one example of a life irrevocably changed by a now vaccine preventable disease.

Antivaxxers - If you want to risk your child never running and playing again, you are ignorant, uneducated and wilfully dangerous to society.

I had all these diseases except rubella. Our experience wasn’t at all indicative of the effect of these diseases before vaccination - it’s merely the perceived mild effect on those children who survived unscathed. I’d no idea about there being children who had died, and almost none about children who had been impaired by them - kids with special needs weren’t in mainstream education. The only one I knew about was rubella, there was a boy came to Sunday school when he was home for the school holidays from his boarding ‘special school’ - profoundly deaf. Fortunately by the time I was a teenager girls were all being vaccinated - I never heard of any objections.

Do you see how us both using silly examples and false equivalence is pointless?

Am I supposed to say yes I think drink driving is a good idea otherwise my point about state overreach in reation to health policy is inconsistent?

Actually, as OP describes, they are. It's called public health, dear.

DS is fully vaccinated but I’m not. My parents were far from anti vax but one of my childhood vaccines put me in intensive care on a ventilator and they honestly thought I’d die. After that I didn’t have any childhood vaccines. Both my siblings are fully vaccinated.

Surely if you have any concern for your own family you’d vaccinate them against a disease that is known to cause disability and even death.

You believe in state overreach in some areas- drunk driving- and not others, despite the fact that communicable diseases kill far more children worldwide? Yes, that's inconsistent.

You can't fight stupidity. Why even bother to try.
If they want to inflict suffering on their children (& themselves) by ignoring modern medical advances, fine. More for the rest of us who can use our intelligence.

She probably won’t care, and just sit happily with the knowledge that her own child is less likely to be infected with a fatal disease precisely because other parents did bother vaccinating their children. It’s an unspeakably selfish, entitled attitude to have.

Sorry but this is bollocks. I won't have the flu etc jab because it makes no sense - other than financially for drug companies. How can you protect against a mutating virus. For that same reason I never had the covid jab. I haven't had a day off sick for over 15 years. Never go to the doctors. Everyone I know who has the flu jab gets flu every year (and talks about how much worst it would be if they hadn't had the jab). Everyone I know who got the covid jab got covid really badly and two have had heart problems.

When the Polio vaccine etc came in people who took it took it hoping they would be protected - not that the whole society would somehow be protected. Dead virus vaccines I'm ok with - and all my children have had these. Gene therapy vaccines (MRNA) not in a million years. Plus you do know most cases of measles etc in the UK are brought in from outside or are vaccine related strains.

Plus why are vaccines the only drugs we cannot sue manufacturers for if they go wrong or if there is negligence?

You’re a bad mum, just as long as you’re ok with the fact you have truly let your children down. I’d be horrified to know someone like you. Your poor circle.

You can still get shingles even if you’ve had the vaccine. Given you have had shingles so many times already, you are likely immuno compromised in some way so I would be very careful

Agree with this.

in Liverpool there is a measles outbreak- my DS has been vaccinated but hearing people who are anti-vaxxers is enlightening and depressing at the same time.

My Nan nearing died from diphtheria and my dad’s cousin caught whooping cough as a baby from her older brother (before it was vaccinated against) and became disabled due to lack of oxygen. It’s horrible that anti-vaxxers want us back in that place. Maybe they don’t understand how debilitating and deadly these formerly eradicated diseases were.

If DD got it she wouldnt be going out

And how would you organise that, considering that measles is contagious 4 days before the rash appears?

no no no..... they study at Google University, and thats where they get their PhD from!

I mean, a few days in front of the internet and we are all experts

I know it’s ridiculous, my absolute hate is when ppl say my kids haven’t had any vaccines and they r fine. Yes. They’ve luckily not caught anything coz the rest of us have vaccinated our kids ! Stupidity at its best