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To be happy that Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana are founding a new party.

319 replies

LancashireButterPie · 03/07/2025 21:30

We need someone with backbone to put forward an alternative political viewpoint.

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Ohthatsabitshit · 04/07/2025 09:09

I think given the choice of Nigel or Jeremy, though I suspect a Kier Jeremy coalition would work best.

MonetsLilac · 04/07/2025 09:09

ChocolateGanache · 04/07/2025 09:09

Shame young people don’t vote

Yes indeed

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 09:09

DeafLeppard · 04/07/2025 09:05

And yet none of the evidence suggests that young people will vote for Corbyn. Young men in particular are far more likely to vote Reform/rightwing.

Not sure what evidence you’re going to find , they only announced they were launching a party yesterday afternoon.

None of the 14-17 year olds I know would have any interest in voting reform, but I suppose it very much depends on where they are in the country.

CircusofPuffins · 04/07/2025 09:09

MonetsLilac · 04/07/2025 09:02

Zarah Sultana has the biggest social media following of any MP. She's very popular with young people.

Social media followings don't translate into results at GEs. I remember ones like 2019, when if you looked at something like Twitter you'd have been certain of a landslide for Labour, and the result turned out very different.

Social media sites are just echo chambers for a small number of similarly-minded people, most of the time.

ChocolateGanache · 04/07/2025 09:09

FatherFrosty · 04/07/2025 09:00

I’m so worried about the split vote situation. We can’t give reform an inch

So true

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/07/2025 09:10

ForWittyTealOP · 04/07/2025 09:07

And the majority of Muslims are from what ethnic backgrounds? Stop hiding behind fig leaves.

Opposing an ideology (or even mentioning one, as the comment you took issue with did) is not racism. You’re just trying to shut people down and silence them, and not being very successful at it either.

ForWittyTealOP · 04/07/2025 09:10

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ForWittyTealOP · 04/07/2025 09:11

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/07/2025 09:10

Opposing an ideology (or even mentioning one, as the comment you took issue with did) is not racism. You’re just trying to shut people down and silence them, and not being very successful at it either.

As above. Enjoy your day.

DeafLeppard · 04/07/2025 09:11

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 09:09

Not sure what evidence you’re going to find , they only announced they were launching a party yesterday afternoon.

None of the 14-17 year olds I know would have any interest in voting reform, but I suppose it very much depends on where they are in the country.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/08/nigel-farage-feels-real-why-young-british-men-are-drawn-to-reform

‘Nigel Farage feels real’: why young British men are drawn to Reform

Once, anti-establishment youth disillusioned with mainstream politics headed left. Now increasing numbers are tilting right. Why?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/08/nigel-farage-feels-real-why-young-british-men-are-drawn-to-reform

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 09:11

ChocolateGanache · 04/07/2025 09:09

Shame young people don’t vote

They will in 2029

EasternStandard · 04/07/2025 09:12

DeafLeppard · 04/07/2025 09:05

And yet none of the evidence suggests that young people will vote for Corbyn. Young men in particular are far more likely to vote Reform/rightwing.

It’s possible both Corbyn and Reform could get younger votes. Not sure of the split. But being in the left as a first time voter is not unusual.

ChocolateGanache · 04/07/2025 09:12

Twiglets1 · 04/07/2025 08:42

Google Corbyn and antisemitism.

Disagreeing with the Israeli government isn’t racist. Why is this hard to understand?

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 09:12

That’s an opinion piece in a newspaper, published 4 months before the announcement of a new party. It doesn’t have any bearing on yesterdays announcement, or what might happen in 4 years time.

localnotail · 04/07/2025 09:13

UK Communist party? Yes, we deffo need a leftist equivalent to Reform... not

PersephoneSeethes · 04/07/2025 09:15

Soontobe60 · 04/07/2025 07:31

I could never support a woman who believes men-who-think-they-are-women are actual women. Anyone who puts the demands of AGP males first and others who think children should be given PBs like sweeties on demand is a very dangerous person, regardless as to where they stand on other political issues.

Same and increasingly I think many people think this way too.

Which is why I ask constantly, why do the Lib Dem’s follow this path constantly? They would get so many middle ground votes if they quietly put aside the PB, APGs and extremes of gender ideology.

localnotail · 04/07/2025 09:16

ChocolateGanache · 04/07/2025 09:12

Disagreeing with the Israeli government isn’t racist. Why is this hard to understand?

What about actively supporting hamas?

5128gap · 04/07/2025 09:18

I will wait and see. The issues that are important to me are reducing wealth, sex and race inequalities, and minimising privilege of birth. Increasing rewards and improving the standards of living for the army of people who do the essential but low paid/low status work, and adequately supporting vulnerable people, the young, old, ill disabled and carers. I'd like to see all essential services under state control and state ownership of assets. I'm happy to pay higher taxes. Whichever party most closely aligns with this will get my vote next time.

WorriedMutha · 04/07/2025 09:19

You can only vote for Corbyn or Sultana if you actually live in their constituency. Where is this 10% of votes coming from? Unless they get a massive funding operation underway to launch candidates nationally, they are toast. Corbyn stacked up votes in metropolitan areas in 2019 and had no national reach.
They are a lame duck and that's why the announcement is half way down the page on mainstream media sites. They are an embarrassment. Still I will look forward to the exodus of the embittered lefties from my local Labour CLP.

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 09:21

localnotail · 04/07/2025 09:16

What about actively supporting hamas?

Thats a criminal offence in this country and there are certainly no politicians doing so

MuffinsAreJustCakesAtBreakfast · 04/07/2025 09:22

Mumble12 · 03/07/2025 23:41

I’m not a fan of everything this Labour government have done and I am a huge fan of Zarah’s. But I think this is bad news unfortunately. I would happily support her, but as others have said, this will split the Labour voters and allow Farage to waltz in to number 10.

I just hope the people critiquing this government for being too harsh are happy with whatever Reform manage. Those that think millionaire grifter Farage is going to help the poor and vulnerable are living in cuckoo land.

Those that think millionaire grifter Farage is going to help the poor and vulnerable are living in cuckoo land.

No rich politician is going to help the poor and vulnerable. Twas ever thus.

They're all AWFUL

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 09:23

MuffinsAreJustCakesAtBreakfast · 04/07/2025 09:22

Those that think millionaire grifter Farage is going to help the poor and vulnerable are living in cuckoo land.

No rich politician is going to help the poor and vulnerable. Twas ever thus.

They're all AWFUL

Totally agree.

Not all MPs are millionaires though. And plenty show up to actually do their jobs, like the local MP in the constituency next to mine.

ForWittyTealOP · 04/07/2025 09:23

A Corbyn led left wing party isn't something most British Jews would be able to vote for, even though some of his other policies as Labour leader were interesting. I also appreciated his ultimately ill-fated attempt to make the Commons less combative and bring back the idea of PMQs as an opportunity for the Opposition to question the government and receive informative replies. However, Corbyn's anti-Semitism is just too much of a sticking point for me.

I also don't think we should be considering single issue parties as the way forward, especially if we want to learn lessons from the rise of Reform. We also need to remember the issues in constituencies like Birmingham Yardley. Jess Phillips was heckled during her acceptance speech by those ostensibly standing on a pro-Palestine platform but who had actually run a counter campaign based on misogyny. I'm as empathetic to the Palestinian people as anybody else but it's dangerous and divisive to allow the situation in the middle East to define UK politics.

Conversely I'd say most new parties are doomed to fail anyway. Reform are very much outliers in that respect and in my opinion only gained as much as they have by catching the anti Brexit/anti-immigration wave and appealing to people's base instincts. I think it's too soon to say whether they'll actually be a viable threat in 2029; they do have a habit of imploding.

creakingwheels · 04/07/2025 09:26

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Using phrases like ' the Zionist ploy', doesn't do much to dispel the view the Corbyn and his supporters are anti-Semitic.

You people really do believe in pesky, plotting, conspiratorial Jews don't you?

The more simple explanation is that JC was an activist, rather than a political leader, that had spent his life avoiding getting the experience, skill and networks he needed to lead a country, and that everyone in the country, except for die-hard idealist progressive left people, could see it.

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 09:27

Agree @ForWittyTealOP

I think this particular anti immigration party hit the ground running this time because of the cost of living crisis. People were less likely to get dragged into the hatred if they were managing themselves. It’s a really easy sell now that migrants are causing all your financial problems and if only uncle Nigel was in charge, everything would be back to the good old days.

ForWittyTealOP · 04/07/2025 09:31

As an aside, I was amazed to see that people are still using the term magic grandpa! It wasn't particularly clever or funny at the time and now that half the people who hear it don't even remember what it was about, it's downright pitiful. What next, the note?