To be happy that Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana are founding a new party.

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We need someone with backbone to put forward an alternative political viewpoint.

My political views are:
Rejoin the EU
Abolish tuition fees and give substantial grants to students in medicine, nursing, teaching, tech, engineering
Massively ramp up minimum wage
Develop a system whereby apprenticeships are well paid
Axe the NHS as it is and have a system like in France and Germany where part of your care is paid for by social security and the other part paid for by "mutuelle" type insurance linked to your earnings
Provide people with disabilities with more
Abolish second home ownership
Make it pay to have no children or just one child
Provide 0% first home deposit loans
Impose rent caps
Increase inheritance tax
Renationalise trains

So a left-wing party would be great for me. The sticking point is one of my political views is:
Slash immigration and abolish the right to bring in family

Corbyn isn't going to try to get you back into the EU

Corbyn rejoin the EU 😆😆😆

Corbyn never shifts his stance and he has always been always ways anti EU

too capitalist for his liking

Make it pay to have no children or just one child

You do realise one of the most serious problems facing country is the coming demographic crisis due to people not having enough children?

Its only a problem if we continue to chase never ending growth

During the original join EEC vote my uncertain parents, like many, were influenced by the fact that most of the moderates in all parties shared platforms and spoke together about the benefits. The “stay outs” were mostly extremes all fragmented and ranted into the dark.

Corbyn has always been opposed to the EU. Not surprising, he has spent his entire career opposing everything, declining to engage with other viewpoints even at select committee level or lobby levels (unlike say McDonnell and Abbott who have always been willing to engage cross groups).
His refusal to allow Labour MPs to share a platform with Remainers from other parties plus his own lukewarm messaging was responsible for a chunk of leave votes. A lot of undecided Labour voters were left convinced Labour’s position was really in favour of leaving. Meanwhile leavers across all parties were happily joining each other on the campaign trail and presenting the united front which joiners gave in the 70s.
Corbyn was also a really, really hard sell on the doorstep (outside of Islington and Hampstead). Too many people still remember him as the archetypal Dave Spart and saw little evidence of change.

I’m all for more credible options at election time. Whether they are credible remains to be seen.

What this does do, however, is pretty much bake in a Reform government after the next election. Their juggernaut doesn’t show any sign of stopping and the new party are only realistically going to take votes from Labour, not those planning to vote Reform.

God help us all.

It’s looking increasingly likely that we will be stuck between choosing between a hard right or hard left party at the next election. People are becoming so extreme in their views. I agree with a previous poster - all this will do is drive more people to vote for Reform.

The thing is, most people are not extreme in their views. The vast majority of voters in this country are centrists. It's the politicians that are extreme.

Interesting development. We need new parties and a plurality of voices and views and some fresh air injected into Parliament.

Ive never been entirely convinced by Corbyn alone, he reminds me of the old issues of sexism and left wingers with his views on open immigration, and we need to be able to defend ourselves. McDonnell hasn’t signed up to join him, and it was McDonnells economics I liked. I don’t know if Sultana can be the reality check Corbyn needs.

Still new voices at a time of a single narrative force are very very welcome. The Greens have folded completely.

You do realise that the U.K. is grossly overpopulated and the overwhelming problem of our time is the impending ecological collapse caused by too many humans? Do you know of the role played by ecological issues in the collapse of Rome and probably the Bronze Age as well as countless other civilisations? No one can survive on human money alone.

IMO we need to reduce the population and make sure that the people that are having children are the ones most likely to raise highly successful children that will be high-skilled, high earning workers that will be net contributers.

Then stop mass migration into the UK then. Problem solved.

Preaching to the converted. We need some, but not in these numbers - and personally I think the numbers, re ageing, should be adding up better by now with the millions imported since 2000. I mentioned Corbyn’s apparent attitude to open borders as an issue.

Btw new parties dont fare well in Britain. There was a promising new one post Brexit called Renew, which apparently folded into something called ‘True and Fair’ (cool name, sis) which has apparently vanished.

ffs

www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/05/nigel-farage-reform-uk-teenage-councillors-vital-public-services?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Umpteen people are sure to have said this, but SURELY you can see that splitting the Labour vote will be tantamount to handing Farage the keys to Number Ten?

Also, do you actually agree with them politically? Seems to me to be promising the earth to people dependent on the State, with just vague mutterings about Taxing The Rich to pay for it. I'm also wary about creating a political party that deliberately appeals to a particular cultural group. Society is polarised enough and it is.

You do realise that continuing to create more humans simply to pay for the older ones will do nothing and no one any good at all in the long run?

I'm not quite sure you understand what Ian Lavery is saying. Hes supporting her! Hes pretty leftist.

Agree… Keir should never have removed the whip from her. In fact she could have done a lot of good for the party imo

Apparently they're all falling out already. It's all bit People's Front of Judea isn't it?

All this lot will manage to do is make themselves look idiotic, create further divisions in society, and allow Farage into no10. They don't want people to vote for them - these types never do. They just want a feeling of righteous victimhood and to shout loudly about how unfair everything is. Pathetic.

Yes this is my worry too.

I thought there were still only 2 of them?

I see Elon is doing the same, maybe Jezza is setting a precedent.

In Wales, in the senedd, we have proportional representation. Which means that while Reform will win a proportion of the vote, they won’t have overall power as that isn’t how it works.

The same should happen in Westminster. FPTP is profoundly un democratic - the new left wing party mentioned here would win a proportion of the vote, as would reform and the greens and the lib Dems etc.

Its amazing to me that we still carry on with a voting system where one party can win a tiny proportion of the vote and yet have hundreds of MPs and govern for 5 years.

Unfortunately sense, intelligence and practicality has long since vanished from this country in favour of Victorian/ Regency, Austen-style politicking and social connection. How much of this is driven by men, male ‘values’ (primate dominance values) and aggression is a concern too.

The only thing that gives me any form of hope for the future is that Old Corruption and class inequality was undone once before. Unfortunately it took the gradual developments of a hundred years, two hundred years, talent and vision the like of which Britain hasn’t seen since America took over, and two world wars to fully realise the need to motivate and organise society, like a large team, to work together. The Overton window has shifted so far. I certainly will never live to see this country working again (I’m 50).