To be happy that Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana are founding a new party.

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We need someone with backbone to put forward an alternative political viewpoint.

They have just royally fucked up the launch of their own new party. What on earth could these losers possibly do to make the lives of the poor and needy in any way better? I wouldn't trust them to run a food bank frankly.

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While I agree with your latter statement (ANYTHING is better than Reform!), I think Starmer could be shocked by the amount of unhappy Labour voters who want a return to more leftist politics.

She doesn't represent anyone in the UK. Maybe she should run in Gaza as that's all she seems to care about.

Yes, Jews are absolutely the only minority to ever have experienced discrimination, you're right.

Two out of three European Jews were murdered in the Holocaust. In light of that, your glib comment reads poorly.

Hopefully all the nutters will flock to this new party and leave Labour to be the party for ordinary working people, as it was always supposed to be.

all these old white men declaring her a dud I have no time for.
Her party consists, so far of her and...an old White man! (and despite the myth of his supporters a pretty privileged one)

My reaction too.

Fair enough if they want to start a new wee club for people who want their style of "government", you have to admire their integrity for standing up for what they believe in.

They are never going to get anywhere with it though so it's a pointless waste of time.

Well yeh but I’m talking about the Labour MP’s reaction to Sultana

The Ian Lavery quote below

But Corbyn had his chance and was unable to secure a win in a General Election. So while you're right that dyed in the wool Labour supporters will be tempted over, most of the broader electorate are centrists. It's why Blair was popular. And Cameron, as a moderate Conservative. So if Corbyn thinks he's standing up against the right (of his party), all he's actually doing is potentially opening the door in the UK to the far right.

These leftists/independents are more bothered about Palestine than the ongoing destruction of our own country.

Starmer didn't really get that many more votes in 2024 than Corbyn did in 2019! Corbyn, had he remained as leader, would probably have won the GE in 2024. Labour/Starmer didn't "win" it, the Tories lost it as their vote collapsed. Starmer isn't really that much more "Popular" than Corbyn was.

Bloody hell, not Corbyn again. Let's hope he doesn't get a cat's chance in hell, this is a dreadful idea.....another very elderly white man with some batshit ideas who wants to be a world leader. Haven't we got enough of these already?

It's not for "ordinary working people" anymore and hasn't been for a few decades. It's bank rolled by the public sector unions and exists mainly to pander to the public sector workers. If you're self employed or work in a non unionised workforce you can bugger off because they're not interested.

This is why people who are traditionally left are either politically homeless or even tempted by Reform.

A large number are concerned about the UK more than Palestine (and think Hamas are beyond the pale regardless of what they think of Israel's actions). They think the trans issue is nonsensical and became emblematic of the widely discredited woke movement. They also think uncontrolled immigration is killing the fabric of the country. These are all the issues Corbyn and co stand for.

Student woke politics has absolutely massacred the left.

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None of that actually addresses the points I've made. The majority of the electorate are neither right nor left, but in the middle. Corbyn will have some moderate success attracting the left, but risks achieving the opposite of his ambitions - a far right government.

But Corbyn had his chance and was unable to secure a win in a General Election.

i mean it did address the point you made

Farage really isn't that extreme. He's just a populist like Boris and has been moving Reform to the centre.

No truly left-wing person could vote Labour in its current form. I certainly couldn't.
I do agree that a left-wing split could cause Reform to win though, so I think we need a broader left-wing coalition - JC's new party, The Green Party and others.

Seriously? Have you seen what the Reform run councils have been getting up to?

It tried to address one point, but didn't. He did fail to win. And it doesn't really matter how Starmer won, general elections are only ever a point in time. Corbyn wasn't popular enough to secure a win at that point. He may well have done so had he remained leader until 2024, but that too would have been a protest vote against the Tories as opposed to for Labour. We are where we are, and he's missed his window - largely by being unpopular among his own party and being unable to unite it. Look, I voted for him back in 2019. It doesn't change the fact that time has moved on and what he's doing - although admirable that he's sticking to his beliefs - is likely to achieve the opposite of those beliefs.

Nothing far right, no.

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I dislike Jeremy Corbyn so much. I blame him for us leaving the EU more than any other politician. He stayed silent on the issue or gave his personal view when the subject was up for discussion even though the Labour view was to stay in the EU.
Good luck to the two of them. They won’t get elected.