Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

[blossoming56]

Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

I'm not 'pro-choice as long as you feel bad about it' or 'pro-choice as long as you don't use it too often'. I'm pro-choice full stop. It's a medical procedure like any other and you are not compelled to believe it's a moral dilemma or anything other than the removal of cells.

Lily and Miquita are on the more extreme end of things, and judge away if you must, but surely you must glad they had the right to do it. I'm nervous about bad actors in this country chipping away at abortion rights, not women exercising the rights that that they have.

Every abortion thread on here turns into a big fight.

I am personally pro-life after reading both sides of the issues and coming to my own moral conclusions. What I think Lily Allen has done is morally very wrong.

But me having this belief isn't going to do anything at all to change her life. It's not going to impact abortion legislation at all.

Gosh. How very forgetful.

If she has had a string of them, too many to remember, that has got to be into the double figures. Sounds like she was using abortion as a form of contraception.

I’m absolutely not anti-abortion, but treating it like a contraceptive is different.

That's a separate issue though.

Yes! You have said what I wanted to say, but better.

Why not?
Isn't that the definition of tolerance and kindness, to believe in someones right and freedom to do what is right for them, whether or not you are wholeheartedly behind the act itself.
There seems to be a trend in society today where live and let live, tolerance is not enough; every special interest group wants it all, the full gamut of support and celebration, or else you're a bigot

It's "physical or mental health" of the woman, not just physical health. I believe that most doctors in the area who are not philosophically opposed to abortion in principle agree that requiring a woman to carry a baby against her will would cause damage to her mental health.

You're right that the law could be applied differently if doctors had a different view, but I'm not sure why you're saying that means there's no such thing as pro-choice? Being pro-choice means you believe that women should be entitled to decide for themselves whether they continue with a pregnancy or not. There would be such a thing as being pro-choice even if there was no right to termination in this country at all.

Oh and also I actually really like Katie price, really admire how she is with Harvey! I don’t know why but for some reason I just find lily allen really irritating

I think a doctor should have taken her aside at some point and talked about contraception, so she wouldn't need to keep having abortions. Sounds like she was young and irresponsible.

I'm glad she was able to have her two daughters when she did.

I agree with you Op. I read that yesterday and felt utterly repulsed. To be so flippant about such an important thing is abhorrent.

I feel like a lot of people are in this halfway house about abortion, essentially a 'yes, but...'.

A friend of mine basically believes it should be legal but you're only morally in the clear if you're sufficiently upset about it. I asked her who exactly that benefits and she didn't have an answer but got upset about the 'dead babies'.

How to say. Your vain judgmental and shallow with a lot of free time on your hands

Well said.
Its unbelievable.

I agree that abortion is the responsible thing where the pregnancy is unwanted. But it’s also the responsible thing to use contraception if you’re having sex at a time when you know you don’t want to be pregnant as a result. I’m pro choice but multiple abortions in the numbers suggested in the article strongly suggest a problem in that she’s using abortion as its own form of contraception. Which is repugnant. Rather than indulging in this type of interview she should be seeking the help she clearly needs to make better choices.

@blossoming56 I agree I’m choice.
This though is totaly irresponsible and appears like an attitude of it’s fine it can be “sorted”
She should step up and use contraception. .
1-2 but 4 or 5 .
Sadly termination doesn’t effect some and is used time and time again as a form of “contraception “

As a pro life person I tend to stop debating the issue on MN now. It becomes heated, catty and just a load of insults thrown about.

Reform will be in 4 years from now, and there will be sufficient crying and feeling bad over dead babies for everyone.

I hope to god we don't have to remember these " Pro- choice but only as long as you feel really really bad" times fondly.

I stand by my original comment. Far more important things to discuss in the world than one person's abortion history. Her decisions do not impact you at all. And anyone making decisions about their healthcare based on what Lily Allen does or does not do has far bigger problems.

I think she made a conscious decision to tell about this to remove stigma. Her friend asked why she didn't bring it up in an earlier episode.

This reads to me like taking the piss out of something that is uncomfortable. Like how she also laughed about the waste of space guy who paid for the abortion and then didn't call again.

She actually didn't say anything about how careless she was or wasn't. Some people have trouble finding an effective BC option.

Obviously she then got herself together and has used IUDs for 3 rounds.

Thank fuck she had the abortions instead of delivering a bunch of babies when she was young, wild, and immature.

Of course it’s not of my business. I don’t know her, even if I did it’s none of my business. But she has gone public with something very topical and like it or not people will talk about it. I’m not judging, I don’t care about it enough to judge but it does open the floor for a discussion.

I am very happy that women have the choice and that she’s been able to safely have abortions in this country. But I do think there has to come a point for women to just think ok I’ll get myself (or my partner) on some reliable contraception so I don’t keep having to do this.

I think she made a conscious decision to tell about this to remove stigma. Her friend asked why she didn't bring it up in an earlier episode.

This reads to me like taking the piss out of something that is uncomfortable. Like how she also laughed about the waste of space guy who paid for the abortion and then didn't call again.

She actually didn't say anything about how careless she was or wasn't. Some people have trouble finding an effective BC option.

Obviously she then got herself together and has used IUDs for 3 rounds.

Thank fuck she had the abortions instead of delivering a bunch of babies when she was young, wild, and immature.

OP, would you rather have a bunch of extra babies on the dole? I think that's the alternative?

No, it's not. Please read my post without projecting things into it. I did not say "don't have an abortion", I said "don't have sex" (explicitly including men). That's a big difference.
When we have sex, we (men and women) take responsibility for a possible pregnancy. An abortion is not an alternative to contraception, considering the risks to the woman which are much lower or zero (eg in the case of condoms) if you use contraceptives.
Using abortion as an alternative to contraception is laziness, immaturity and ignorance on the part of both men and women (unless the woman is being forced into pregnancy, in which case it's the man's responsibility only).