Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

[blossoming56]

Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

Biologically speaking, a zygote is the first stage in the human life cycle. It has:

• A complete human genome — the full instructions to develop into an adult human, given the right conditions.
• The capacity to undergo cell division, differentiation, and development into an embryo, fetus, baby, and so on.
• A unique genetic identity separate from the mother or father.

So can many parasites that live in the human body. The point is that the human who is already alive should take priority and should make the decisions. The alternatives are, as I have already pointed out to you, playing out all over the world and they are hideous.

Who are you to tell me to educate myself? You don’t know me, how obnoxious. Of course they are generally safe but no medical practitioner is going to recommend you have multiple abortions rather than just be responsible with your contraception. There is a reason why they shouldn’t be used as contraception obviously.

False dichotomy alert!

You know full well (I hope) that it is possible to be responsible with contraception and yet to need one or more abortions because that contraception has nevertheless failed. The assumptions people make about women who have had multiple abortions are mindblowing. How about you let women live their lives and stop judging?

Of course contraception can fail, I never said it couldn’t. I completely agree that abortion is sometimes necessary and without fault of either person but when you’re getting to the point that you are losing count of them, it is unlikely that each of those occurrences are due to failed contraception. We are not talking about a one off situation, that is the point of the thread, it’s about multiple abortions to the point of forgetting how many you’ve had. Statistically your contraception is unlikely to fail that many times.

So these women whose lives are so chaotic should be either denied abortions or heavily judged? What in the world does that achieve? How does it make anyone's life better except for those who like to bask in the warm glow of smug self-satisfaction? My favourite bit of the Bible is the bit about not judging, lest ye be judged...

Never said they should be denied abortions, the thread is asking what we think about Lily Allen losing count of how many abortions she’s had and what our opinions are on it. My opinion is I don’t think it’s justifiable regardless of how ‘chaotic’ your life is. Again to reiterate you should be able to have abortions and I completely accept this can sometimes happen due to failed contraception but after losing count you should be a responsible adult, asses the situation and do more to stop it happening again. It’s not that hard. I can’t imagine why you are quoting the bible on this of all topics, kind of a contradiction.

My opinion is I don’t think it’s justifiable regardless of how ‘chaotic’ your life is.

So what solution do you suggest then? Deny them abortions? Forced sterilisation? What?

And if none of the above, then why bother with all the judgement?

As for me quoting the Bible - is the quote not apt, given the amount of judging going on on this thread? And of course I'm free to quote whatever I want. If the quote stings, perhaps you should think about why that is.

I am not suggesting any solutions, I don’t need to. You are missing the point again. The thread is asking you what your opinion is of Lily Allen losing track of how many abortions she’s had. My opinion is that it’s wrong, again to reiterate for the 3rd time you should be able to have abortions, contraception can fail multiple times but very unlikely to fail that many times that you lose count. So take a little more responsibility and try harder to avoid it. It’s really not that an extreme view and what most people would think. Your comment about quotes stinging made me laugh out loud. You’re trying to justify losing track of abortions with a Christian quote, it’s obvious why those don’t really mesh. Most religions don’t really support it (again not my opinion but you are the one bringing religion into it).

What's wrong with abstinence?

Well, my opinion is that it's nobody's business but her own, and that she was unwise to discuss it in public because people are judgy gits. We all know her life has been tough and chaotic - why can't we just let her be?

And I'm not trying to justify abortion with the quote. Why would you think that? I'm pointing out that being judgemental is unchristian and generally not good behaviour, no matter what religion you are (I have none, but agree with some tenets of many). Your inability to understand that is not my problem.

What religions do and do not support in terms of women's bodily autonomy is a whole different thread, but generally major religions have form for oppressing women, hence me choosing to not have one. They're there to benefit men.

It doesn't work when one is in a relationship. Sex is part of a relationship. That relationship doesn't have to be marriage, unless one is a conservative religious person.

Simply that it is impractical for most people. Even if you are opposed to, and find it possible to avoid, all sex outside marriage, abstinence is not usually an option within marriage; and married couples mostly do not wish to have a baby every year or two.

I'm married. Our youngest was unplanned. We just saw her as a blessing.

If you use contraception effectively the success rate is very high. If in the minute chance you get pregnant. Accept it. If you already have kids, they've got a new baby sibling to play with.

You don't HAVE to do PIV. There's always other stuff to do.

We just saw her as a blessing.

Presumably you could afford to house, feed, clothe etc etc this ‘blessing’, and had the emotional and physical reserves to parent it without an adverse impact on your existing children. That’s nice. Whoop-de-do for you. Do you imagine the same applies for everyone else?

This is the classic 'well, I managed it, therefore so can everyone else ' argument. It speaks of a lack of empathy, imagination and basic understanding.

Youngest at the time was so excited to play with the new baby and absolutely doted on her when she was born. She still does.

That's not what you were asked though is it?

Presumably you weren't living 6 people in a 2 bedroom flat? Or just been given notice by your landlord? Or you hadn't just had your company go bust or lost your job? Or you hadn't recently become full time carer to a parent with dementia who had become incontinent and violent, or a teenage with a head injury needing full care? Or you didn't have a degenerative disease yourself, or fragile metal health and just about coping with your DC as they'd got to school age but unable to manage a baby? Or the million and one other reasons why women can't 'just accept it' and continue a pregnancy?

Check your privilege.

This.

Yep 💯