Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

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Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

Except she has made more than one comment, and very publicly.

Had to Google who Miquita Oliver is, but yeah, don't care about her abortions either.

I suspect she knows exactly how many but preferred not to say publicly.
However, by this i assume it's at least more than 1.

This what she and also you dont understand.

This is the law: most women don't bother to read it before they start spouting pro choice.

Abortion is legal in Great Britain if two doctors decide in good faith that in relation to a particular pregnancy one or more of the grounds specified in the Abortion Act are met (1).
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A - the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman greater than if the pregnancy were terminated
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B - the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman: Section 1(1)(b)

C - the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman: Section 1(1)(a).

D - the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of any existing child(ren) of the family of the pregnant woman: Section 1(1)(a).16
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E - there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped: Section 1(1)(d).
The Act also permits abortion to be performed in an emergency if a doctor is of the opinion formed in good faith that termination is immediately necessary:
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F - to save the life of the pregnant woman: Section 1(4)
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G - to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman: Section 1(4)

How many women do you think could actually satisfy the criteria to two doctors that continuing with their pregnancy, would cause grave risk to their physical mental health? I'd say very few.

Doctor's don't apply the law strictly, but if they did rocking up and saying I forgot to take my pill or condoms split isn't enough. Strictly speaking, you are supposed to be able to prove that continuing the pregnancy would be detrimental to a mental or physical health. IT ISN'T A WOMAN'S CHOICE. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRO.CHOICE.

You better hope doctors don't start strictly applying the criteria strictly.

I don't care either way re Lilly Allen, but this 'not your body, not your business' stuff is bollocks. We're a society who pool risk and costs and have values and rules, so of course attitudes to abortion are valid for discussion.

I'm pro-choice but a slack attitude to contraception, and use of abortion as a back up (which I have encountered) makes me queasy.
It is a drastic action and should be considered an emergency last resort, it's not the same as having a tooth out.

Just the other day I was chatting to my son about this, and wondering why abortion rates haven't dropped further in recent decades, considering women have access to free contraception in this country, which is an amazing thing, probably taken for granted by many.
But you are BU for reading the Fail OP, its misogynistic crap!!!

She was being flippant about a really sad topic. Who on earth can’t remember something like that?! Awful. If this was Katie price everyone would have their claws out and ready to attack.

But contraception simply is more responsible than having multiple abortions. Sure, anyone can become pregnant accidentally once or twice, but surely by then you've worked out that maybe preventing it in the first place is a better idea? Not least for the sake of your own body and health.

Well put!

Her body, her choice.

Interesting though that everyone jumped on Lilly Allen’s part of the conversation but not Miquita Oliver. Why is that?

The way they spoke about it like it was the norm / maybe even a flex made me uncomfortable too. It's not a message I'm happy people sending out.

And not because I'm anti-abortion. I'd probably equate it to someone saying they caught chlamydia more times than they can remember by not taking precautions.

She has the right to have an abortion and have it discretely. Once she goes on a podcast literally singing about how awesome it is that she's had so many abortions then she makes it anyone and everyone's business. If she didn't want other people's opinion about it then she should have kept it in her confidential medical records rather than using it to make herself seem cool and relevant

Ah another thread to start the debate about abortion. It’s getting a bit desperate and transparent.

If you believe that Lily Allen has had an easy ride in the media over the years, I've a bridge to sell you.

It's absolutely none of your business.
She will have her reasons, and even if some folk don't approve, she done nothing illegal.

Katie Price shouldn't have any more kids and any means would be better than having more.

I don't think abortion is sad. Maybe you do. I am past the age of getting pregnant, but if I had I would have had an abortion without even thinking twice. I dont want any more kids.

Your comment makes me quite depressed.
Stop judging and live your own life.

She went public with it ffs!

Why not?

@InterestedBeing all pregnancy is more dangerous to a woman's health than the safe and legal abortion in this country. It's not hard to apply that to the guidance.

Additionally, am I allowed to call myself pro-choice given that I believe women should be allowed to choose without the sign off of two doctors? Just because the law doesn't make it a free choice doesn't mean that people aren't pro-choice. There are pro-choice people in a lot of countries that don't allow abortion at all.

Why?
So people can judge, and several others have to tell them to mind their own business and live their own lives instead?

She's done lots of other things that were illegal and would have her slated on MN though.

Using prostitutes, drugs. I know from a friend who worked for her that she used to have parties at her house where everyone was off their face on coke while she was heavily pregnant.

She's certainly not someone I would admire or want to emulate.

Can’t say I’m a lily allen fan …but this is her business, no one else’s, if you don’t agree with abortion then don’t have one but ffs don’t comment on others peoples decisions on it.

Ugh I can’t stand lily allen, she seems utterly selfish and self centred. When I was a teen I used to waitress at fancy Cotswold events and she was at a few of these, she came across as such a spoiled brat.
I’m not anti abortion but she seems so flippant about it and not at all upset. I am really struggling with contraception at the moment so using condoms, but seems as if the coil suits her so can’t understand why she wasn’t a bit more responsible. And there is also the morning after pill!
I can imagine there are vulnerable women who have had to have several abortions and it can’t be easy, so for her to discuss it without a care in the world does irritate me. However since my babies were in NICU I’ve struggled more with the idea of abortion and do find the fact that she is discussing it as if it is funny quite sad.