Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

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Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

Where and when would ten third trimester terminations happen though ? These can only take place for medical reasons such as the mothers’ life being at risk, severe birth defects etc. A pregnant woman requiring such a termination would be counselled as to the risk for future pregnancy, so the likelihood of repeated late abortion wouldn’t arise.

We don't agree on much of what has been said @Rosscameasdoody, so far, but I can see your point of view regarding how the interview might be used and perceived by those who oppose abortion and are powerful enough to make legislative changes (or push changes to how the legislature is used).

It's absolutely hilarious that people are jumping on OP saying "it's none of her business" when talking about a celebrity that has openly discussed this.

Yet the same people jumping on OP are having a go at people being overweight, on benefits, eating UPFs or whatever the fuck. That's also none of your business but that's fair game to talk about even though the people you bitch about aren't celebrities 🤔

MN logic at its finest.

Obviously, yes.

But once conception has taken place until time machines are invented it's a moot point.

Are they the same people though? I don't benefits bash, couldn't give a shit about other people's diets etc.

If they are the same posters, pull them up on it. MN is not a hive mind.

If I had to put money on it, I'd say that they were part of the network of right-wing troll goady fuckers laying pipe, so that they can point to liberal sites like MN for ammunition at a later date.

I think that's what we might call a Left Wing Liberal Conspiracy Theory.

I do consider myself pro choice and have had an abortion myself - TFMR. I suppose I do have caveats in that I don’t believe it should be used as casually as people suggest here. Many people think abortion is a legal right in the UK, and the plain fact is that it isn’t. Two HCP’s have to agree before a termination can go ahead and I’m conscious of the absolute shit show happening in the states around the issues of abortion and contraception, and the fact that there is growing support for it here. And I think it furthers their cause when people like LA present like this.

I do understand that stories from vulnerable women like LA may be fuel to the fire for those who want to remove or restrict abortion access.

I understand the law around healthcare provision well, as I have said, I provided abortion care for many years. As a former healthcare professional in the field with evidence based academic training and actual real-world experience, I also understand the nuance surrounding it and that what you describe as casual use is not really the case. Use of words like "casual" is harmful to the cause, especially if you are, as you say, pro-choice. It fundamentally disregards the complexity of the reality women like LA are experiencing and what is influencing their decision-making. Anything other than the extreme case of TFMR may seem 'casual' but it is not. The reality is that there is a huge grey area of personal circumstances between "perfectly mentally, socially & financially stable, terminating because they actively chose not to prevent pregnancy" and "terminating a pregnancy for medical reasons".

That’s sick in the head. Who said that?

Odd as I can’t find any recent threads about Sally Clark but maybe some links would back it up?

Just googled and Lily Allen has 2 children?

Was very surprised. Imagine being the child and finding out your mother has terminated numerous of your siblings in utero. Imagine thinking "what if mum terminated me".

Why are you surprised?

Many women who have terminations already have children or go on to have families. In fact, women who are already mothers make up the majority. According to the most recent statistics (2021), 57% of women accessing a termination in England and Wales in 2021 had one or more previous pregnancies resulting in a live birth.

Don't be silly. You wouldn't have those discussions with your DC until they were of an age where discussing things like abortion was age appropriate, and at that point if they asked, you would give them an honest explanation about not being in a place where you could raise that child in the way a child deserves to be raised. I've never had an abortion, but I did have a pregnancy scare and at that point I would absolutely have had an abortion. I was not in any situation to have a child - newly moved to the UK, no job, early stages of cohabitation with the man I ended up marrying. Having a child would have been an utterly stupid decision. I was lucky, I was just late.

There's absolutely no need to make those conversations emotive or distressing for a child.

"Don't be silly you wouldn't have those discussions with DC until they were of an age where discussing things like abortion was age appropriate" I think I read they were 12 and 13, they're not tiny anymore so unlikely to be shielded from what's going on in their mother's life. A bit of discretion for their sake might have been a thought that should have occurred. Kids aren't daft, no doubt this will have posed all sorts of questions such as "how did I come to be born? and a potential sibling didn't" It's very personal, she's made it very public, which is why it has become a discussion topic. Making it so, may come back to haunt her, and children can be judgemental.

@carbuncleonapigsposterior that was not the point I was making in my post. I was addressing the idea that abortion was bad because a child might find out that their mother had one and that they would have missed out on a potential sibling. That discussion is one that can be had at an appropriate age.

Obviously I do not feel that airing that level of personal information in the media is a good idea at all.

Bad enough finding out, but for your mother to find it hillarious is even worse.

Thank you.

I just assumed because Lily Allen has so many abortions she couldn't count she just wouldn't have had children at all.

I couldn’t care less if a woman had 100 abortions - her body is not my business.

But does appear she does not understand how contraception works.

But the 100 small babies sorry fetuses that have their lives cut so short? At what point in utero does the fetus have any value whatsoever?

My thoughts are simply; thank goodness those abortions took place as opposed to 4 to 5 unwanted children living in this mess. Some lives really aren't worth living, especially when you look at the odds now and the state of public services, including care provision.

And I really can't quantity at which stage it's too far and I'm uncomfortable about it. I will simply assume these abortions were at a stage where I'm not feeling uncomfortable and it's all a bit meh.

Personally, if it was me, I think there would be some emotional fall out from 4 to 5 abortions. I don't know what. I feel it is potentially quite intrusive,still shrouded in shame by many and I personally feel that unprotected sex on the regular isn't great for the female soul ( it wouldn't be for me).

I am unable to quantify or define an exact point where I say it's not ok here to have a termination. I will always struggle with that.

I however don't feel anything at all about 5 abortions she had meaning 5 lives cut short. What is this obsession with life proliferating at any cost? No way. Some lives should not be created.

Wasn't she an admitted recreational drug user, heavy into drink at one point? No judgement at all btw. ( I need to fact check this). So a baby, unwanted, born into these conditions?

No. Life at all costs, absolutely not.

It’s the woman’s womb. Her desires take precedence.

When it's born. In practice that stance makes no difference and you have but to look at other countries to see what giving personhood to the unborn does. Unless you enjoy seeing women jailed for having a miscarriage?