Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

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Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

This.

Things MN has allowed on this thread:

Lily Allen being called a whore
Other posters called whores
Women being told not to open their legs.
( I reported but have not got an acknowledgement so I assume all this is ok).

Hang on, she was on tour?

Where was she touring?

And who turns up and pays good money to listen to her ‘singing’. Thats more shocking than the abortions.

Sorry if any real singers reading this are offended by this woman being accused of being a singer.

Never said it was about moral fibre. But women presenting for multiple abortions would be ‘assessed’ because red flags would be raised for several reasons - and quite rightly.

If you think there should be a cap on the number of abortions women can have, you’re not really pro-choice.

I also very much doubt Lily Allen had her abortions on the NHS.

Totally 😷

It’s called debate. Posters are entitled to their opinions. I’m pro choice, but what I’m not ‘pro’ is women having multiple abortions because they can’t be arsed taking proper precautions if they don’t want to be pregnant as a result of sex - or can’t be arsed making sure their partners are taking precautions. Why should the bloke be excuses here ?

Some posters seem to think adding “I’m pro choice” to their vile rhetoric is a Get Out of Misogyny Free card.

Most people don’t open their legs and rely on abortion if they get pregnant.

Women who have unwanted pregnancies rely on abortion. Do you think such feckless people🙄 should have a baby instead of an abortion?

Well I’ve never heard anyone talk about abortions this way.
To be honest, it makes me feel slightly better. I’ve had 2 and I think that’s too many.
But it’s no one else’s business really.

Read a better paper.

I'm pretty sure you can debate without calling women whores and talking about them opening their legs and generally making derogatory, misogynistic comments.

There's lots of examples of other people doing so in this thread.

Assessed for what by whom? The midwives working there would ask questions but if she has capacity & satisfies the abortion act she can have as many abortions as she likes

You have no idea what circumstances led to her pregnancies and what contraception she did or didn’t use. And it’s none of your business!

I want to know more about this Slag Assessment when you present for your 69th abortion: is there a trigger on the system to alert them you’ve had more than your fair share? Amazed the NHS would have the resources and private won’t care unless it’s a money-spinner.

Not every advantage. Wasn’t she quite famously a victim of middle class neglect?

The point where she said;

“I remember once getting pregnant and the man paying for my abortion and me thinking it was so romantic,”

Tells you all you need to know. Stupid woman.

I mean a mental limit, a decision in your own mind that I can only make this mistake so many times. At some point I should be taking responsibility and trying harder to avoid this. Regardless of your opinion of abortion it’s not a good thing to put your body through so many times when it could be avoided. Her abortions don’t affect me no but most people will judge you for it for the above reason. Be an adult and take responsibility.

She’s a privileged and intelligent woman. I’m absolutely pro-choice, but would never see multiple abortions as a method of contraception, even just from a women’s health point of view. It’s not really okay, is it? Or to make light of it, in a ‘I’ve lost count of how many’ way. I mean, accidents happen, but let’s be real.
I think she’s got the attention through controversy she was looking for. She’s desperate to be seen as achingly cool.

@CultureAlienationBoredomandDespair Good point , but why judge? Why judge someone who accidentally got pregnant while married to a higher earner and on contraception? Or is it only poor people who are too old or too young to patent,
who are too dim witted to figure out contraception, and couldn’t provide for a child in the way the average MNeter would isn’t to be judged? Where is the line drawn for judging on this? To me it’s a bit like saying “ I have fiends who are black, but…”
I’m mixed race and will admit I can be racist at times. At least I can see my racism and own it.

“I’m pro-life, but there is this woman who…blah, blah, blah”

She did laugh about that and reflect on how dysfunctional that was. But quotes plucked from podcasts avoid all of that pesky nuance don't they.

it's amazing how many women on this thread are pro choice but not THAT pro choice. Who knew there was so many caveats.

There is this desperate need from so many for there to be some kind of self flaggelation for women taking up an option that is available to them. The horror at a woman not feeling emotionally repentant about it.

I had a termination, it was easy peasy and I felt very little emotion about it.

Are only clever women allowed to get abortions?

What’s Katie got to do with this?

You are judging as several sentences start with “but”.

In your world everyone makes fully logical rational decisions that are well thought through. 1 error of judgement or an accident might be allowed but not beyond that.

No disrespect to LA, I don’t know the woman. Do you honestly think she doesn’t suffer from having an absent mother, famous father, being famous, and the environment she grew up in. I know ND people who are quite ostrich about problems (not suggesting it making this about ND).

Sometimes you gotta walk a mile in someone else’s shoes and what seems obvious and right and logical to you is not to others - for a whole host of reasons.

She mentioned it on a podcast lol

If posters have a daughter who repeatedly had abortions because they didn’t use contraception would you not at some point suggest contraception?