Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

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Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

None of which applied in Allens’ case. Only that she couldn’t be arsed taking responsibility herself or making sure her partner did.

As late as necessary usually means killing a baby. I’m as pro choice as they come but there are limits.

You are commenting on a post about third trimester abortion. LA hasn't had a third trimester abortion.

So 11 abortions later it’s not her fault ? Don’t make me laugh. Abortion is not a form of contraception and should not be treated as such by the feckless and irresponsible. I’m as pro choice as they come but there’s a limit.

Don’t care what stage she had the abortion at. 11 abortions is feckless. Contraception is easily available.

She also hasn't had 11 abortions but whatever.

By the end of this thread, Lily Allen will have had 111 abortions, 5 minutes before the baby crowned.

11 abortions later you trust LA’s judgement ? OK then.

Nope. She had 11 if you read what was said. That’s unnecessary and suggests fecklessness. I fully support a women’s’ right to choose, but 11 times is pushing it. Abortion is not, and should never be used as a form of contraception and that’s what’s happening here.

Read the article, that’s what’s suggested.

So having what 1? 2? Abortions is okay

11 ohh bad woman shame on you etc?

she didn’t have 11 but if she’d had 111 what the hell impact does that have on anyone but her?

or do unwanted pregnancies suddenly become viable after # 4

its all pearl clutching drama because you think any terminations over ‘ insert own acceptable number’ is suddenly awful and shameful

fuck me it’s her body her choice

Yes

Listen to the podcast, the woman herself says 4 or 5.

Is there really not room in people's minds to see that there may be circumstances where someone is unable to use other forms of contraception and would need multiple abortions? Is it really that hard to do the maths on how that could actually be necessary for some women in vulnerable places in their lives? And yet here we are in a forum that's supposed to be supportive for women, with multiple posters labeling everyone who's had multiple abortions for "non medical reasons" as feckless or disgusting. I've reported the thread, this is vile.

Abortion can’t be a form of contraception - it happens post conception

she didn’t want to be pregnant so she wasn’t

not seeing the need for all the angst

Have YOU read the article? I have just read it and even the misogynist shit show that is the DM isn't suggesting 11, so lord knows where you pulled that imaginary number from.

Or how about women avail themselves of the contraceptive options available in a first world country so that abortion doesn’t become the norm if you can’t be arsed to be responsible ? Back street abortion is not an option for someone like Lily Allen so it’s irrelevant.

So many posters who claim to be pro-choice, until someone makes a choice too many times for their liking.

How many times do they think women should be allowed to have a choice? Once? Twice?

I’m no Lilly Allen fan, and don’t claim to be pro-choice. But I’m really irritated by posters who claim to be pro choice, until they don’t like the choice.

It wouldn’t happen post conception if people took appropriate precautions. Abortion is an acceptable alternative to failed contraception, not the failure take contraceptive measures in the first place.

I am pro choice

It doesnt change her being irresponsible to have that happen multiple times,
But mostly she wouldbe causing nhs work and possibly fertility issues.

Im not sure about now but previously even the MAP could cause fertilty issues. (Though obviously birth can too)

I'm not talking about LA here obviously... but just for the purposes of discussion here - how do you feel about say - 10 third trimester terminations?

I’m pro choice. I don’t like the ‘choice’ being to not take contraceptive precautions freely available in a first world country because abortion is available as an alternative.

Gosh that’s not what the law says - thankfully

I mean what’s your acceptable limit? 3? 5? Over what period? 10 years?

so after, say 4 in 10 years what - no more abortion you have to have a child you don’t want

thankfully the law doesn’t care how many - just that you can access one legally and safely

But not all women or men are going to be able to make sensible choices about contraception. Such as those with mental health challenges, addiction issues - which lily allen has extensive experience of - never mind those impacted by domestic abuse/exploitation. If only we lived in an ideal world - but we don't which is why we need to trust women and not generate a narrative that could contribute to the erosion of our bodily autonomy. Is there a conversation to be had with women having multiple abortions in short succession to check for their welfare or access to other resources- yes probably, but it can't come at the expense of women actually feeling able to access medical treatment as needed without judgement .