Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

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Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

Gosh the knots forced birthers tie themselves up in to try and win

i dont care I am 100% pro choice as early as possible as late as necessary

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To be fair she has bragged 🤮 about it in the papers. This is why the old blokes are trying to stop abortions it's not and should not be a form of birth control unless there are valid reasons to be decided by health care professionals.
I get there are reasons like divorce and not able to cope but that shouldn't happen more than once.

Your original point was that multiple abortions are not medical care because they are a result of 'lifestyle'. The two are not exclusive. The vast amount of medical care is administered as a consequence of less than ideal lifestyle choices. Anyone who has ever worked in or studied public health and health promotion will tell you that behaviour change is extremely hard and judgement is just about the least helpful thing to facilitate it.

the ONLY valid reason for abortion is not wanting to continue with a pregnancy

how you got pregnant
why you don’t want to be
how many times you’ve been pregnant before

all irrelevant

if old men want to stop us having safe legal access to abortion it’s hardly lily allens fault

Lol let's insult rather than address the points eh.

My point is that using 'bunch of cells' for anyone other than very early in pregnancy is as disingenuous as saying a 4w embryo is a baby.

Neither are accurate. One is to support cognitive dissonance, the other is unduly emotive.

Perhaps we should stick with embryo/fetus or unborn/pre birth human.

Perhaps we should just leave it to individual women considering or choosing abortion to decide

I trust their judgment

Well it’s definitely not something to be proud of. I’d be feeling pretty ashamed if that were me - I certainly wouldn’t be podcasting about it in such a nonchalant way.

Why are you so defensive on her behalf and talking about misogyny? If it were a man, we’d be saying the same thing! Eddie Murphy gets a lot of stick for having 10 kids and we’d all be hating on any man who goes around impregnating women carelessly.

This thread isn’t about misogyny or sexism. It’s about one woman’s inability to protect herself against unwanted pregnancies and her lack of ability to see why it’s a problem. Not knowing how many she’s had is a pretty good indication that she’s not with it.

So you are would be happy if a baby was murdered just before birth?
Really?

She’s not ashamed

you would be - so you do you

i know people want women to whisper about abortion in dark corners or feel sorrow and regret but I’m glad that’s changing

Lily Allen is 40 years old.

If she started being sexually active at 20, 5 abortions is 1 every 4 years. So hardly popping paracetamol.

Further to that, not all abortions are surgical. Not all women find their abortions traumatic.

Actual footage of LAs acceptable behaviour

Because I actually listened to the podcast so I know that some of your assumptions, for example the 'proud' bit, didn't happen.

Women being honest about mistakes in their past is a good thing, IMO. If generations of women internalise shame and refuse to discuss issues frankly, younger generations learn nothing from us.

The episode in which this was discussed WAS ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! It was literally about ways to protect yourself from pregnancy. For them, that included ways in which contraception hadn't worked for them in the past or times when they hadn't been strict enough about it, hence becoming pregnant. They at no point suggested anyone should use abortion as a form of contraception or show anything but support and empathy for women who find themselves in that position.

Misogyny is absolutely at play here, both in the way the press have twisted their words or taken them out of context in reporting, and in the way commenters are shaming them for openly talking about abortions.

Do you have proof that many women try to abort their baby just before there due? Surely you would have to be in very extreme circumstances that are none of our business to do this?

Abortion rates over 20wks before 24wks are around 1-2% and 93% abortions of take place before 12 wks. Does this indicate to you that woman are likely to abort a baby at say 39wks?

Well, it's probably not the most healthy choce; but it's up to her. And I would guess that she's going private for the purpose, so not costing the NHS.

I agree, and I've had two abortions, both for very different reasons and many years apart. At some point I had to take responsibility and not keep putting myself and my body through that.

Don't they offer you contraception after each termination?

Yes. Prostitution is being compared to working at McDonald's. Surrogate mothers are being described as "gestational carriers", "receptacles" and "vessels" who have no connection to their babies, because they're genetically unrelated. And with donor eggs, it's magically reversed - suddenly pregnancy creates a strong bond and DNA is meaningless. And on top of that, institutions are claiming that there's no such thing as a female body in the first place - we're just a bunch of "uterus havers" and "cervix owners".

In the 80s, one of the tactics that churches used to push to stop women from going to the police when they were sexually abused by male members of the church was "he hurt your body, but it's up to you if he hurts your mind". Essentially saying that women can just divorce themselves from their body to avoid being traumatised by sexual assault - and if they don't do that, the emotional pain they feel is their own fault. Modern MRAs take this tactic as well: "If women are in control of their bodies, why does it affect them mentally if men abuse them?"

It's not a good road to go down.

So all the “Ooh, it’s a few too many abortions for my taste” people who think there should be an upper limit like a bedroom tax: what happens practically when a woman hits that limit? Do you want them to have an illegal backstreet abortion? Or a baby they don’t want and can’t care for?

Or should we stick with the current system where someone has the freedom to have an abortion that doesn’t affect you, and you have the freedom to be judgey about it?

It's quite obvious that Lily Allen has controlled mental health issues.
And at a guess, personality disorder issues, self image issues,self loathing issues, sexual boundary issues and boundary issues .
Having those abortions was probably amongst her most mature decisions amongst a plethora of very impulsive behaviours that have dogged her life.

I’ve read a lot of crazy stuff over the years, but somehow “if you support abortion you might as well suffocate babies and toddlers” never ceases to shock me in its cruelty and stupidity.

A pregnancy is potential. That’s all. Whether those first few cells are a “baby” or “not a baby” is entirely subjective, depending on the emotional reaction of the woman who is pregnant. She gets to decide.

Yes, contraception is offered and long acting forms are strongly encouraged post termination. It is part of standard care planning. However, healthcare professionals cannot force women to use contraception effectively, or at all.

If it saves the life of the mother, yes. If the foetus is non-viable, yes. Some babies are born with horrendous conditions and no quality of life which is crueler IMO

First few cells eh. This is the only context I've come across where a 'few' means billions or trillions.

Having contraception before having sex, knowing that she didnt want to be pregnant as a result, would have been a much more mature decision. I’m pro choice but not pro abortion used as a method of contraception for the feckless.