Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

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Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

Not for me no - I’m 100 pro choice

I asked you if it would be morally wrong to commit neonatal infanticide. You responded that they're not comparable because one is illegal. Now we've agreed the legality of it is a red herring for the purposes of this discussion - maybe you can respond to the question: is it morally wrong to kill newborn babies?

Nothing whatsoever is a moral issue 🙃 ok dokes

Duh obviously but that’s not what abortion is

one is murdering a living autonomous being

the other is a living autonomous being choosing not to be pregnant

Lily Allen says edgy thing to draw attention to herself.

And the world turns.

Shocking that on a women's site, posters are equating early term abortions to neo-natal infanticide.
😖

I think they think some clever trap is evolving 😂

The newborn baby vs in utero isn't the 'gotcha' you think it is, @BlueJuniper94

Bloody hell, that's dark. I'm pro-choice, but that's not on.

I thought it was bad enough when someone got into it with me on an MN thread once about why I didn't think it was OK to have unprotected sex on the basis of 'if I get pregnant there's always abortion', but that's actually shocked me, and I'm not that shockable.

My thoughts exactly. Lily Allen quite literally said it. The daily mail along with other newspapers just reported on it. It's not like it's a blatant lie. Who gives a shit that the daily mail published it

We as a society use the term 'baby' very early in pregnancy all the time when the baby is wanted, and women who miscarry wanted pregnancies relatively early on often very much feel they've lost a baby. So either its a baby or it isn't.

I am very pro-choice. However, I am most definitely not pro-feckless irresponsibility.

I don't think she knows (or cares) what to say next in order to draw attention to herself. My best friend's neighbour was at Benenden with her and she was a tiresome, drama queen even back then.

Not read the full thread but I made a thread about this yesterday OP. Made for some fruitful discussion.

Hope this link works

Calling something a baby doesn’t make it a baby

I call my cat baby but I’m not enrolling him reception this year

Anyway, AIBU to ask who Lily Allen even is? Genuinely? Not 100% sure I can even work up the energy to google.
But yes, its grim.

We also use the terms zygote and foetus to describe various stages of development, because it's not true, at all, that something either is or isn't a baby.

At the very early stages, a collection of cells which just has the potential to become a baby is very much not a baby, and abortion is very much not killing.

I agree she's put this out there in an attempt to gain attention. I don't agree with using abortion as a form of contraception, mostly on moral grounds, but also because it's stupid. Why put your body through that if you can usually prevent it by taking a simple precautionary measure?

I don't describe myself as pro-choice, but I think it's ridiculous to say that a person can't be both generally in favour of giving women the option yet also able to see shades of grey on the issue, such as putting time limits into place, or as in this case, recognising that there's something sick about allowing yourself to become pregnant repeatedly when you know you don't want to have a baby.

Duh indeed.

She and Miquita Oliver discuss it in depth on their podcast. They are incredibly dismissive about it and Miquita claims she also had 5 abortions.

Why don't you tell us why?

Pre cancerous cells on your cervix have the potential to be cancer but they aren’t cancer

zygotes have the potential to be born and become babies but they aren’t babies

Sigh. There's really not much worth saying to someone childish enough to invoke their relationship with their cat in a discussion on abortion (tangent you call it 'baby'????? OK??)