Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

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Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

I think the Op is uncomfortable at the same element I am - Lily's goady behaviour, trying to discuss controversial topics to stay relevant. The uncomfortable part isn't the amount of abortions she's had, it's that it's a triggering topic for many and she casually makes a daft statement about forgetting how many she's had. We get it, you're liberal and uninhibited, but rightly or wrongly lots of people find the concept of abortion quite difficult on psychological and emotional levels and a bit of sensitivity wouldn't go amiss. I'm never impressed by her attention seeking behaviours.

Sounds like a cry for help. As with any woman having sex with a man who would expect her to kill her baby, she's clearly very vulnerable

And is it wise to force a woman who has had multiple terminations to keep a baby? Who does that benefit?

I've never liked her as a person or her music. She tries too hard to be 'cool' which she definitely isn't. She's a pain in the h*le. Says she's disappearing from the limelight and then comes back with confessions like this every now and then so she doesn't go into oblivion . She loves being talked about.
And she's also tone deaf. Goady about having abortions while a record number of people are struggling to conceive. No sympathy for her from me. Only for her kids.

Those poor babies. Killed in the womb

Thanks to everyone who liked my previous post about the Daily Mail. All the apologising about quoting it is so annoying.
I'd intended to post about Lily, thought I'd posted then realised I hadn't.
I feel sorry for Lily, she's had lots of mental health issues and seems a very vulnerable soul. I believe that Madonna has had lots of abortions. I don't feel sorry for her.

I’m pro choice and I agree with OP, it made me feel uncomfortable too. This is a sensitive topic for many people and those two made it seem like it’s a decision that’s so blasé. They are feeding directly to the narrative some of the extreme pro life people have, i.e. that for some women abortion is an another form of contraception. They really need to grow up the pair of them. They’re just trying to stay relevant.

Humour you?

we are discussing abortion which is legal and nothing to do with infanticide which is not.

its not ending a life it’s terminating a pregnancy

As painful as it undoubtedly is to hear or read about them, one woman's pregnancy choices have no bearing on another's fertility issues.

Early term medical abortion is not killing babies.

I don’t care how many abortions she had. Her body her choice. I think she is a pretty tragic figure in all honesty. Imagine spending your 20s having unprotected sex with so many me. You get pregnant five or more times and just keep having abortion after abortion. Her and Miquita both examples of fame is a mask that eats the face. The desperation for validation. The desperation to be thin (leading them to have good knows what type of bariatric surgery or ozempic regimen to look emaciated). The need for ‘connections’. The surgeries. The harping on about their media ‘family’ … it is fascinating but a real lesson in how not to raise kids into happy, grounded, well-adjusted adults. It’s very sad and I imagine Lily will meet a tragic end.

But she should have a bit of respect for her fans who have struggled or miscarried by keeping shtum. No instead she acts the dick as always.
Nobody wants to know this info or think about her having sex. Shes obviously trying to convey that she is irresistible and fertile.

I’m not a huge fan, still think The Fear is a tune!

I’ve had 5 mc’s and I don’t care how many terminations she’s had

You opened your comment with this: "I don't believe abortion is a moral issue, simple as that."

So I thought it might be interesting to explore your reasoning (if any).

It's odd that you bring legality into it. What relation does this have to morals? If abortion were not lawful, would you consider it wrong?

It’s not a moral issue - it’s an issue for the woman - it might be a moral issue for her it might not be - but other people’s moral view have nothing to do with it

so it’s not a moral issue for ‘us’

It's odd that you bring legality into it. What relation does this have to morals? If abortion were not lawful, would you consider it wrong?

you did that when you raised infantacide and asked about it

my response was to point out that you are basically comparing a legal option to a criminal one

How do you define "moral"?

Is the only difference the fact that one is legal and the other isn't? ....is that what you're saying?

Well exactly hence a personal decision can never be a wider moral one because your morality won’t be everyone elses

so not a moral issue

She equally didn’t need to talk about it. The celebrity that is

Don’t be daft

I've just seen this, interesting take. Have you seen how much healthcare is delivered as a result of non-communicable diseases and conditions that have mostly modifiable risk factors (aka "lifestyle")?

Is insulin for T2 diabetes not healthcare? Are inhalers for COPD not healthcare?
Are surgeries, chemotherapy, immunotherapy and radiotherapies for skin cancers not healthcare?
Are anticoagulants in stroke and heart disease not healthcare?
If you break your femur skiing and have it pinned back together, is that not healthcare?

Some of the straw man arguments on this thread are utterly bonkers.

Not addressed to me, but no. What's immoral is forced birth.

What are moral issues then, are there any?