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Rachel Reeves crying in PM questions

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AnotherBrickIn · 02/07/2025 12:39

She’s visibly crying

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Wolmando · 02/07/2025 16:47

PandoraSocks · 02/07/2025 16:43

Tbh I think this thread being zapped wouldn't be a bad thing.

You can hide it if you don't agree with it, just because you support them and don't like to hear it

Jellycatspyjamas · 02/07/2025 16:47

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 16:37

I don't think it is that easy for those groups to change their circumstances as you think. For example the cost of going to uni and getting a better degree might be too financially difficult .

And there lies the rub, everyone has reasons why it’s too hard to cut benefits that affect whatever group they’re in. Everyone has reasons why someone else should pay for it. No wonder the woman was in tears.

ohyesido · 02/07/2025 16:47

She’s hoping for the female sympathy vote

WhereIsMyJumper · 02/07/2025 16:47

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 16:45

But if you dont want to be involved in the discussion hide the thread you dont get to decide whats best for everyone else

This. I’m sick of the culture of let’s delete everything I personally don’t like but my eyes are too sensitive to even read it.

Thats the internet- people’s views clash, sometimes those views are emotional. No direct harm caused. Don’t like it then don’t read it.

Hellohelga · 02/07/2025 16:47

AnotherBrickIn · 02/07/2025 12:46

AIBU to think it’s time Starmer resigned. There you go.

Sorry what? Starmer didn’t cry why should he resign over this? Politics is a tough gig. I bet loads of women have cried and a fair few men. But not on live tv on pmqs. I’d struggle to carry on after that but lets see.

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 16:48

Jellycatspyjamas · 02/07/2025 16:42

While I don’t agree with the proposed reforms, the rate at which disability benefits are being claimed does need looked at, amongst other things.

On a population level we can’t afford to have whole groups of people that can never be looked at, because we cannot afford to cover an ever increasing welfare bill.

What needs looking at is the pip assessors they would save a fortune if they where competent in their job and not sending a significant amount to tribunal for 70% of claims to be overturned i dread to think how much that costs.

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 16:48

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 16:44

Top I’d say is NI policy on growth. Then farmers, students they’ve u turned on pensioners WFA and the bill last night.

The NI policy hampers growth which turns to cuts. Which they’re finding out they can’t actually do without rebellion.

And what about the positives? How do feel about the following:
UK GDP grew by 0.7% in Q1 2025 - the fastest rate in over a year and the strongest in the G7.
Wages are now rising faster than inflation, with average pay up 5.2% year-on-year and inflation down to 3.4%.
Retail sales volumes are up 1.7% compared to last year, and debit card spending has increased by 13%.
Business investment rose by 6% in the first quarter, especially in sectors like manufacturing and transport.
Bank lending to businesses is forecast to grow by 3.1% this year, after a period of stagnation.
Consumer confidence is improving, with GfK’s index rising from –22 to –18.
Business optimism is growing in 11 out of 12 UK regions, according to Lloyds' barometer.
Private sector activity has returned to expansion territory at 50.3.
The Bank of England has already cut interest rates once and is expected to cut further in the second half of 2025.
Household debt has fallen to 118% of disposable income, its lowest level since 2007.
Savings remain steady, with the household saving ratio at around 10–12%, providing a buffer for spending.
Inflation in food and energy has eased significantly, helping to stabilise prices and improve household budgets.

2andadog · 02/07/2025 16:50

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 16:48

And what about the positives? How do feel about the following:
UK GDP grew by 0.7% in Q1 2025 - the fastest rate in over a year and the strongest in the G7.
Wages are now rising faster than inflation, with average pay up 5.2% year-on-year and inflation down to 3.4%.
Retail sales volumes are up 1.7% compared to last year, and debit card spending has increased by 13%.
Business investment rose by 6% in the first quarter, especially in sectors like manufacturing and transport.
Bank lending to businesses is forecast to grow by 3.1% this year, after a period of stagnation.
Consumer confidence is improving, with GfK’s index rising from –22 to –18.
Business optimism is growing in 11 out of 12 UK regions, according to Lloyds' barometer.
Private sector activity has returned to expansion territory at 50.3.
The Bank of England has already cut interest rates once and is expected to cut further in the second half of 2025.
Household debt has fallen to 118% of disposable income, its lowest level since 2007.
Savings remain steady, with the household saving ratio at around 10–12%, providing a buffer for spending.
Inflation in food and energy has eased significantly, helping to stabilise prices and improve household budgets.

100% this. However none of this has been in the DM so can't be true... :P

Superhansrantowindsor · 02/07/2025 16:50

What really annoys me is this is making a reform win even more likely.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 02/07/2025 16:51

Serpentstooth · 02/07/2025 12:46

Bozo and Trump have had a terrible effect on politics. Its OK for them to make promises they can't keep, their fans will accept it as part of their 'charm'. Not ok for your bog standard politician, who will be made to eat his or her words as soon as an opportunity arises.

Oh for god's sake, you want to blame the shitness of this government of Boris Johnson and Donald Trump? BJ was four prime ministers ago and DT is absolutely nothing to do with British politics. No-one is to blame for the incompetence and failure of Starmer and Reeves accept Starmer and Reeves.

Dwimmer · 02/07/2025 16:51

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 16:43

It’s £3.4bn over 99 years

Only if you ignore inflation and additional costs.

Whatafustercluck · 02/07/2025 16:51

JockTamsonsBairns · 02/07/2025 16:35

Men would do well to get their own house in order first

Indeed. And why is it unforgivable for professional women to be emotionally vulnerable, but not for professional men to be emotionally constipated? Why is it that we constantly hold women to higher standards than their male counterparts?

I was no fan of Teresa May. But there was a point when, as PM, she was attempting to sort out all the Brexit shit left by her male predecessor(s). Tory men lobbing grenades at her as she tried to wade through the chaos. She was the only one who stepped up and tried to be the grown up in the room. At that point, I felt sorry for her. And I'm not even a Tory voter. It's called compassion, and it's not a weakness.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 16:51

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 16:48

And what about the positives? How do feel about the following:
UK GDP grew by 0.7% in Q1 2025 - the fastest rate in over a year and the strongest in the G7.
Wages are now rising faster than inflation, with average pay up 5.2% year-on-year and inflation down to 3.4%.
Retail sales volumes are up 1.7% compared to last year, and debit card spending has increased by 13%.
Business investment rose by 6% in the first quarter, especially in sectors like manufacturing and transport.
Bank lending to businesses is forecast to grow by 3.1% this year, after a period of stagnation.
Consumer confidence is improving, with GfK’s index rising from –22 to –18.
Business optimism is growing in 11 out of 12 UK regions, according to Lloyds' barometer.
Private sector activity has returned to expansion territory at 50.3.
The Bank of England has already cut interest rates once and is expected to cut further in the second half of 2025.
Household debt has fallen to 118% of disposable income, its lowest level since 2007.
Savings remain steady, with the household saving ratio at around 10–12%, providing a buffer for spending.
Inflation in food and energy has eased significantly, helping to stabilise prices and improve household budgets.

Did you see the growth recently? Perhaps you are like Labour unaware of why that would be.

I notice Labour lean on DM accusations when not doing well. To @2andadog with this part

justasking111 · 02/07/2025 16:51

Two friends have had mortgage agreements in principle in the last month. They've really tightened up one friend said.

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 16:51

AudHvamm · 02/07/2025 16:46

@alexalisten

Only one of the 3 examples in that article was suicide.

I do think risk of suicide is overstated and it is emotionally manipulative and (IMO) undermines the case for human dignity, which that article you linked makes very well.

To link this back to why I originally engaged with you - you were making hyperbolic and emotive statements about killing yourself because your entire income was being removed while being very critical of someone having a mild public expression of emotion.

Edited

That's probably my bpd coming out but I did attempt during my first pip assessment as it was so horrific and I have had an increase of meds over this last year due to feeling suicidal from what the government was threatening at one point. I genuinely spiraled when I thought I would lose my whole income and my home being reliant on the government is a scary position to be in

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 16:52

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 16:44

Top I’d say is NI policy on growth. Then farmers, students they’ve u turned on pensioners WFA and the bill last night.

The NI policy hampers growth which turns to cuts. Which they’re finding out they can’t actually do without rebellion.

And with the U turn on WFA - do you mean you don’t like it that they’ve increased the threshold to make sure the vulnerable now do get the allowance?

PandoraSocks · 02/07/2025 16:53

Wolmando · 02/07/2025 16:47

You can hide it if you don't agree with it, just because you support them and don't like to hear it

You are making some big assumptions there.

Put it this way, I won't be voting Labour in our elections next year. Doesn't mean I don't think this thread is vile in parts.

AudHvamm · 02/07/2025 16:54

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 16:51

That's probably my bpd coming out but I did attempt during my first pip assessment as it was so horrific and I have had an increase of meds over this last year due to feeling suicidal from what the government was threatening at one point. I genuinely spiraled when I thought I would lose my whole income and my home being reliant on the government is a scary position to be in

As I said before I sympathise with how scary that must have been. It sounds like it's stayed with you because what you were stating as fact upthread was based on that rather than what's come to pass.

CurrentHun · 02/07/2025 16:54

ghostyslovesheets · 02/07/2025 16:35

But that poor management then? Running one week to the next with no safety net?

parents could have moved their kids? Before it came into effect? No child should be without education so the LA is required to place them and put temporary provision in place until it does.

its not like anyone woke up one day and surprisingly had to pay vat is it - everyone knew it was coming

Pretty sure it was quite like waking up and 20% more being payable, though. Election was called I think in May or June by Sunak for July 2024, then Reeves made a Aug 24 budget announcement with scant detail, then full detail in October budget, about costs payable from Jan 2025. Not long.

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 16:55

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 16:48

And what about the positives? How do feel about the following:
UK GDP grew by 0.7% in Q1 2025 - the fastest rate in over a year and the strongest in the G7.
Wages are now rising faster than inflation, with average pay up 5.2% year-on-year and inflation down to 3.4%.
Retail sales volumes are up 1.7% compared to last year, and debit card spending has increased by 13%.
Business investment rose by 6% in the first quarter, especially in sectors like manufacturing and transport.
Bank lending to businesses is forecast to grow by 3.1% this year, after a period of stagnation.
Consumer confidence is improving, with GfK’s index rising from –22 to –18.
Business optimism is growing in 11 out of 12 UK regions, according to Lloyds' barometer.
Private sector activity has returned to expansion territory at 50.3.
The Bank of England has already cut interest rates once and is expected to cut further in the second half of 2025.
Household debt has fallen to 118% of disposable income, its lowest level since 2007.
Savings remain steady, with the household saving ratio at around 10–12%, providing a buffer for spending.
Inflation in food and energy has eased significantly, helping to stabilise prices and improve household budgets.

How about we focus on the 270,000 jobs lost to date due to the incompetence of Rachel Reeves and that's only the start. I feel for every single one of those people and their families.

Jellycatspyjamas · 02/07/2025 16:55

BJ was four prime ministers ago and DT is absolutely nothing to do with British politics.

Or three years and one GE ago. It’s quite scary how many PMs we’ve had in that time, there’s a desperate need for stability in government. Bullying people out of their jobs isn’t serving us well.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 16:55

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 16:52

And with the U turn on WFA - do you mean you don’t like it that they’ve increased the threshold to make sure the vulnerable now do get the allowance?

I’m pointing out u turns to whoever asked what they were. Maybe your post

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 16:56

Jellycatspyjamas · 02/07/2025 16:55

BJ was four prime ministers ago and DT is absolutely nothing to do with British politics.

Or three years and one GE ago. It’s quite scary how many PMs we’ve had in that time, there’s a desperate need for stability in government. Bullying people out of their jobs isn’t serving us well.

Neither is retaining incompetent people who are destroying the country.

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 16:56

Dwimmer · 02/07/2025 16:51

Only if you ignore inflation and additional costs.

What additional costs are those?
And it’s costed in real terms.

Jennps · 02/07/2025 16:57

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 16:48

And what about the positives? How do feel about the following:
UK GDP grew by 0.7% in Q1 2025 - the fastest rate in over a year and the strongest in the G7.
Wages are now rising faster than inflation, with average pay up 5.2% year-on-year and inflation down to 3.4%.
Retail sales volumes are up 1.7% compared to last year, and debit card spending has increased by 13%.
Business investment rose by 6% in the first quarter, especially in sectors like manufacturing and transport.
Bank lending to businesses is forecast to grow by 3.1% this year, after a period of stagnation.
Consumer confidence is improving, with GfK’s index rising from –22 to –18.
Business optimism is growing in 11 out of 12 UK regions, according to Lloyds' barometer.
Private sector activity has returned to expansion territory at 50.3.
The Bank of England has already cut interest rates once and is expected to cut further in the second half of 2025.
Household debt has fallen to 118% of disposable income, its lowest level since 2007.
Savings remain steady, with the household saving ratio at around 10–12%, providing a buffer for spending.
Inflation in food and energy has eased significantly, helping to stabilise prices and improve household budgets.

All of these numbers will get revised down. You’re speaking too soon.

Here are some real numbers which are confirmed:
Inflation on the up with food inflation nearing 10%
Gilt yields higher than when Truss revered her mini budget
Unemployment on their rise because of NI increase
Millions of higher and additional rate taxpayers leaving the country, taking their tax dollars with them
Non doms mass exodus taking their high spending with them
Small moats record numbers so far this year
Taxes at record highs

Rachel from accounts is a disaster

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