Rachel Reeves crying in PM questions

[AnotherBrickIn]

She’s visibly crying

I don't think it is that easy for those groups to change their circumstances as you think. For example the cost of going to uni and getting a better degree might be too financially difficult .

Nobody else is saying the thread should be taken down or reporting posters because they disagree with them

Unfortunately, she hasn’t treated her electorate like humans - the elderly, disabled/those unable to work, parents who chose private schooling and paying fees with presumably money earned rather thank grown on a tree. Yes, they had it in their manifesto but they brought the date of implementation forward.

Unable to define what a working person is - isn’t someone who runs a business with employees a working person? Apparently not, resulting in NI hikes - these mainly affected small businesses and had a knock on effect on “working people”.

Lied on her CV.

They just don’t seem to get it. They try and they misjudge every single time.

It really is cringe. I really wanted her to do well.

Well I feel bad for her. She has tried. I think the original WFA and welfare cuts were acceptable. She promised not to increase income tax as she can see that PAYE folk are being clobbered and in many cases are earning less money than benefit claimants and some pensioners on WFA. She can see it's not sustainable. Her back benchers have stabbed her in the back. People seem to have conveniently forgotten how dreadful the last 14 years of tory government have been. What did they do to try and reduce spending?

Maybe someone could put a handbag through expenses and cheer her up a bit?

True, but no one was saying that when it was Liz Truss who had stuffed up, the buck stops with them.

People always have a choice. It is a personal choice we don't have compulsory suicide in the country - if anything it is discouraged.

its not like anyone woke up one day and surprisingly had to pay vat is it - everyone knew it was coming

This is disingenuous at best. Reeves had insinuated that she wouldn’t impose the VAT until this coming September. Families had planned for this. She then announced last Summer that the VAT would apply from January, ie 2 terms earlier.

Or the £30 billion to give away our own territory.

Are there stats to support this? The only schools I've seen that have closed were in losses for many years with already dwindling numbers...

While I don’t agree with the proposed reforms, the rate at which disability benefits are being claimed does need looked at, amongst other things.

On a population level we can’t afford to have whole groups of people that can never be looked at, because we cannot afford to cover an ever increasing welfare bill.

Well yes , in a nutshell. People calling out Reeves even though they themselves would flog the NHS in a heartbeat. Probably to the likes of Musk or Trump. Nauseating hypocrites. Id prefer McDonnell as chancellor but you can't have everything.

It’s £3.4bn over 99 years

The markets will go into freefall. She needs to be ousted as she's not up to the job. 🙄

Tbh I think this thread being zapped wouldn't be a bad thing.

Yeah running a business is much harder and requires far more ingenuity.

Who needs wealth creators running government, eh? Let’s just carry on with allowing thickos with no real world experience of building things to make a mess of the country.

Its absolutely not easy but its also not physically impossible like it is for a lot of people on pip and pensioners through absolutely no fault of their own. Like why are we paying for school meals for every child and then also paying child benefit and the child element of universal credit. Why are we paying for healthy start vouchers why cant children be fed out of the child benefit and the child element of universal credit. Why are parents who choose not to feed their children and spend their children money elsewhere not being done for neglect.

Gosh, you are a mean lot. Can’t raise taxes, can’t cut services. An impossible job played out in front of nasty spiteful people.
She should just have lied outright, like her predecessors.

I didn’t vote for them. I didn’t vote Tory. I have vote for Labour in the past.
When Labour got in I was concerned about the VAT on school fees. It seemed to be based on envy rather than sound economic principles. I work in state education , have a severely disabled sibling and a poor pensioner mother. I couldn’t believe the winter fuel plan and was even more gobsmacked by the attack on the disabled. Not policies you would associate with Labour. A friend of mine with a small business is so much worse off due to Nat ins increase etc. it just comes across that they don’t really know what they are doing - jumping from one thing to the next. The biggest grievance I have is school funding is going to be reduced with a wage increase for teachers not being fully funded. We ran out of exercise books a month ago and aren’t getting more until September. This is absolutely ridiculous. I am sick of working in a building not fit for purpose, buying supplies for the kids out of my own money. Year after year after year. It never changes.

Top I’d say is NI policy on growth. Then farmers, students they’ve u turned on pensioners WFA and the bill last night.

The NI policy hampers growth which turns to cuts. Which they’re finding out they can’t actually do without rebellion.

They are down 0.13%

But if you dont want to be involved in the discussion hide the thread you dont get to decide whats best for everyone else

So they had to find 20% more for two terms?

saving from the moment it was announced as a policy might have covered this ?

most charities running at a loss would be closed

@alexalisten

Only one of the 3 examples in that article was suicide.

I do think risk of suicide is overstated and it is emotionally manipulative and (IMO) undermines the case for human dignity, which that article you linked makes very well.

To link this back to why I originally engaged with you - you were making hyperbolic and emotive statements about killing yourself because your entire income was being removed while being very critical of someone having a mild public expression of emotion.

Starmer was saving his skin yesterday, Reeves the fall guy.

Where were the whips?