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Rachel Reeves crying in PM questions

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AnotherBrickIn · 02/07/2025 12:39

She’s visibly crying

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tommyhoundmum · 02/07/2025 18:40

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 18:22

No she cried because lindsay hoyle told her to make her answers shorter so she cried and then went home early

Surely not.

ImpiusAmabilia · 02/07/2025 18:41

Jennps · 02/07/2025 15:15

Some dramatic tears on the front bench.

Imagine when Rayner takes over Two Tier. That will bring a whole new level of decorum to proceedings……not.

And these morons are supposed to be running the country.

There is NO ONE capable of running the country in any of the parties

TeenagersAngst · 02/07/2025 18:42

ForgeOfEmpires · 02/07/2025 18:14

I can help answer this maybe. My son is autistic. Aged 21. We have never had that much money, and although he is diagnosed since age 4 and his life has been hugely impacted by his autism. But when he was 16 a man came to our house from the DWP and told my son he was autistic and did he want to claim for DLA (it was DLA back then). My son had struggled with the idea of himself as disabled, so he said "no", and turned down the money. The man pressed him and told him he was entitled to it, but my son didn't need it and didn't want it so he never claimed it.

Last year, he started a claim.

And I will explain why.

He is at university now, which is now extremely expensive. His loan is massive, the money they give from the loan doesn't cover his accommodation even which is £900 a month (more than the rent of our actual bloody house). His food bills have gone up, everything costs, costs, costs.

Add to that, his autism impacts him massively at university. To a point that last year he needed an 8 month leave of absence due to autistic burnout that left him suicidal and unable to cope at all. He was in a terrible state and didn't intend to return to university at all because the idea terrified him.

I will add to this, he's exceptionally gifted and was at one of the best universities in the country, which while prestigious was also expensive and very stressful in terms of the workload and expectations.

When he was off for 8 months, he very much wanted to do a job so he could save some money and also get our of the house a bit, but our house has no public transport so he couldn't get anywhere. He tried really, really hard to find some simple WFH work, but he couldn't find it. The only places with jobs nearby are farms and pubs and he applied to them all but got rejected. He doesn't come off well in interviews as he struggles with eye contact and so on.

He contacted the job centre, and what followed was the most useless pointless waste of time that had him literally screaming. He asked for help finding work, but they don't do that. Instead they just have arbitrary, ridiculous suggestions (like suggesting they give him a moped to drive 1.5 hours to a major city for a job, when he is autistic and has mobility and coordination issues). Just totally, utterly bloody USELESS. I even got on the phone to them and said "look we have a really clever person here, 4 A levels at A* and he wants to work - don't you have access to a database of employers for ND people? But they had nothing at all.

So in the end he volunteered locally at a few places which helped his confidence but wasn't an income. And that's when he decided to claim DLA. He wnated to work and would have preferred to work, but he couldn't find anywhere that would take him and the job centre and medical system are not helpful.

So eventually he was well enough to want to return to university and we had to put in place changes which made it possible for him to continue without undue stress.

One step is that we upgraded his accommodation from the already extortionate £900 a month one to a significantly more expensive option which included breakfast and dinner. This enabled him to cope much better with his self care, as the shopping and planning along with cooking in a shared kitchen when he gets very stressed was just beyond him and he was not eating.

Another step is that he was having real difficulty with the bus to uni being too full for him to fit in the mornings, and whereas most young people would just take that in their stride, this was causing him to have a real fit and complete meltdown a few mornings a week. So we instead paid £24 a week for a taxi to take him and ensure he could reliably get to his lectures.

Another step is that he got a private counsellor who he sees every two weeks to help him manage stress.

With these changes, all paid for by his PIP, which he could not afford without them, have enabled him to carry on at university and complete his course and he is on track to do a pdh now. He will become a far more useful and beneficial member of society if he is not hospitalised with a breakdown or unable to live his life normally and complete his studies.

But he would far prefer not to need PIP.

He would far prefer that accommodation at uni was affordable.
He would far prefer that buses were not overcrowded and unreliable.
He would far prefer there were small changes to the world that made like possible for him to navigate without such intense stress.
He would far prefer the environment wasn't as stressful as it is at university, with rabbles of angry protests and people fighting all the time. He was very upset by his close Jewish friend being antisemitically attacked three times in a year.
He would far rather he was safe from crime when he goes out.
He would far rather the job centre helped him find paid work during his leave of absence so he earned his own money.

He is one example, and someone who's autism has always profoundly affected his life, but my point here is that young people would probably not be struggling quite as much if the world was a bit less shit.

And we have been expecting them increasingly to live in a world with crushing financial pressure, negativity surrounding them, danger every time they go anywhere, people nicking phones, accommodation outrageously expensive, educational debt, overcrowded schools, unavailable NHS services, Mums working their backsides off to make ends meet and generally people have become rather horrible.

So I don't think the fix is to cut off the most vulnerable people, but instead to work out how we let life get so much harder and what we can do to meaningfully fix it.

How do we decide who are ‘the most vulnerable’? There will be many people in receipt of PIP who are not like your son. We have set the bar way too low and cannot continue to afford it. It’s as simple as that.

cumbriaisbest · 02/07/2025 18:43

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 18:30

I doubt it. Just sheer stress. She started crying when Starmer was responding to a question about her position.

I haven't seen it, just guessing. Sounds horrible. What a mess.

poetryandwine · 02/07/2025 18:43

lifeonmars100 · 02/07/2025 18:25

I have been crying a lot recently even when out in public, I have had a sudden and shocking bereavement, then 2 weeks later someone close to me was the victim of a serious and violent crime, and yesterday I had another horrible and traumatic event which has meant calling the police. Not saying any of this applies to Rachel Reeves but to those of you saying it would be a cold day in hell before you ever wept in public, all of us have a breaking point. i know that I have reached mine, i even flinch when my phone beeps as I am so scared it is yet more bad news

This. Everyone has a breaking point. KS has now confirmed his confidence in RR. Labour is emphasising that she is in the midst of a distressing personal matter.

If she had ducked PMQs today she never would have heard the end of it.

KS isn’t good at taking questions that distract from his train of thought, so he wasn’t explicit enough when asked about RR’s future earlier.

Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 18:44

ThisTicklishFatball · 02/07/2025 18:18

The top 10% of PAYE earners already contribute over 60% of the total tax receipts in the country. They are essentially funding the NHS and welfare payments.
The UK is in a dire situation, and overtaxing the few net contributors until they leave is counterproductive. It’s clear the current government taxes based on ideology rather than fiscal responsibility.
Government spending continues to rise, but tax revenue isn’t keeping pace. We can’t simply tax our way out of this crisis. What’s needed is significant economic growth and a reduction in spending, which seems unattainable as everyone demands their share from the state.
We need to acknowledge that there aren’t enough people contributing to the system, and the welfare system is overly generous. Higher and middle earners face some of the highest taxes globally, while lower earners pay some of the lowest. At the same time, we have a very significant number of physically able individuals reliant on state support and one of the largest unproductive working-age populations in the West.
These uncomfortable truths must be addressed. Over-taxation has long been shown to reduce tax revenue at certain income levels, as many economists have pointed out. Now, this issue is being extended nationally, with businesses being overtaxed to the point of cutting employment.
You can’t keep taxing the same narrow group repeatedly because they will leave, and tax revenues will decline further. Everyone needs to contribute more.
It's also incredibly ignorant and foolish to assume that all farmers are wealthy. Some farmers don’t own the land they work on, while others do, but they’re neither landed gentry nor aristocracy. They often face excessive taxes and mandatory financial obligations that tend to go unnoticed. It’s ironic that the Labour government intends to force farmers, who aren't part of the landed gentry or aristocracy, to sell their land for housing developments at reduced prices, without compensating them for the land’s true value.This move could leave farmers relying on benefits to get by, adding to the number already dependent on them, while also creating the challenge of finding homes for displaced farmers and ensuring jobs for everyone impacted.

I partially agree with you @ThisTicklishFatball however poorer people will often spend all their benefits, all their salary, often locally, save very little and their money circulates through the economy.
I don’t believe we have one of the highest tax economies - I thought we were pretty low tax compared to other wealthy nations. Where did you read we were high?
Yes we absolutely need to improve through improved productivity - we are heavily service orientated. We need to earn from selling assets/ products in addition to people’s time. Certainly taxing middle range PAYE people won’t solve.

Mumble12 · 02/07/2025 18:44

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 18:11

Originally it was it was said to us that if you lose pip you would also lose the health element of universal credit

I have zero recollection of them removing the health element of UC, they were going to halve it weren’t they?

And those two things aren't a disabled persons entire income either. When you ramp up what you’re saying for effect, it calls into question the veracity of your entire statement.

tommyhoundmum · 02/07/2025 18:44

channacelane · 02/07/2025 18:16

I'm distracted by the extremely low cut slinky blouse she wore in parliament. Its that business attire? You can see her boobs. She looks an absolute mess, and like a rejected puppy.

Please don't be mean. Slinky blouses tend to slip forward.

Mumble12 · 02/07/2025 18:46

Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 18:44

I partially agree with you @ThisTicklishFatball however poorer people will often spend all their benefits, all their salary, often locally, save very little and their money circulates through the economy.
I don’t believe we have one of the highest tax economies - I thought we were pretty low tax compared to other wealthy nations. Where did you read we were high?
Yes we absolutely need to improve through improved productivity - we are heavily service orientated. We need to earn from selling assets/ products in addition to people’s time. Certainly taxing middle range PAYE people won’t solve.

The UK is about midway for tax amongst OEDC countries.

The trouble is we want to pay little tax and expect the most return. It just isn’t possible.

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 18:47

poetryandwine · 02/07/2025 18:43

This. Everyone has a breaking point. KS has now confirmed his confidence in RR. Labour is emphasising that she is in the midst of a distressing personal matter.

If she had ducked PMQs today she never would have heard the end of it.

KS isn’t good at taking questions that distract from his train of thought, so he wasn’t explicit enough when asked about RR’s future earlier.

Or alternatively, Starmer chose not to publicly support Reeves by confirming she would remain in her role and has still not done so. It was left to a spokesperson to try to limit the damage caused.

poetryandwine · 02/07/2025 18:48

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 18:47

Or alternatively, Starmer chose not to publicly support Reeves by confirming she would remain in her role and has still not done so. It was left to a spokesperson to try to limit the damage caused.

We shall see

Boomer55 · 02/07/2025 18:48

Whstever the reasons, she’s blown it now. She needs to go. It looks weak and incapable.

Mumble12 · 02/07/2025 18:48

TeenagersAngst · 02/07/2025 18:42

How do we decide who are ‘the most vulnerable’? There will be many people in receipt of PIP who are not like your son. We have set the bar way too low and cannot continue to afford it. It’s as simple as that.

It isn’t “as simple as that”.

PIP applications are so complicated that very few people are able to complete them without some form of assistance. If it was so easy, we’d all be waltzing up and saying “by the way I’ve got an ingrown toenail…here’s my bank details”

channacelane · 02/07/2025 18:49

poetryandwine · 02/07/2025 18:43

This. Everyone has a breaking point. KS has now confirmed his confidence in RR. Labour is emphasising that she is in the midst of a distressing personal matter.

If she had ducked PMQs today she never would have heard the end of it.

KS isn’t good at taking questions that distract from his train of thought, so he wasn’t explicit enough when asked about RR’s future earlier.

KS was asked if RR will stay until the next election and he responded 'she certainly won't', here at about 8min in.

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poetryandwine · 02/07/2025 18:51

Boomer55 · 02/07/2025 18:48

Whstever the reasons, she’s blown it now. She needs to go. It looks weak and incapable.

I disagree, though her secret may not he safe for long.

I am no particular fan of this particular government - though I think they are the best since Theresa May’s team, at minimum - but personal tragedy is not a reason to sack anyone.

SirRaymondClench · 02/07/2025 18:53

She can cry me a fucking river

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 18:53

channacelane · 02/07/2025 18:49

KS was asked if RR will stay until the next election and he responded 'she certainly won't', here at about 8min in.

Given that Downing Street has just categorically said she’s going nowhere, I suspect that GB News has doctored that.

PandoraSocks · 02/07/2025 18:55

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 18:53

Given that Downing Street has just categorically said she’s going nowhere, I suspect that GB News has doctored that.

Surely not, BIossomtoes!

Shocked!

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 18:56

Mumble12 · 02/07/2025 18:44

I have zero recollection of them removing the health element of UC, they were going to halve it weren’t they?

And those two things aren't a disabled persons entire income either. When you ramp up what you’re saying for effect, it calls into question the veracity of your entire statement.

At the start they said anyone who loses pip will lose the health element of universal credit it absolutely is my only income what else do you think disabled people get.

Allseeingallknowing · 02/07/2025 18:56

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 18:22

No she cried because lindsay hoyle told her to make her answers shorter so she cried and then went home early

Here was more to it than that. She was already upset about something.

CaspersMum24 · 02/07/2025 18:57

2dogsandabudgie · 02/07/2025 14:59

Exactly. She was known as the Iron Lady. I miss those days of strong politicians.

Thatcher is the reason the country is in the mess it is now.

She decimated the manufacturing base, and sold off all the country's assets.

She is the reason your energy bills are so high (privatisation) and why we became so reliant on Russia for our gas supply. Not forgetting the fabulous success story that is the privatised water companies.

But hey, lots of people made a killing on buying shares in the utilities and flipping them a few weeks later. I wonder if they ever regret that now?

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 18:57

TeenagersAngst · 02/07/2025 18:42

How do we decide who are ‘the most vulnerable’? There will be many people in receipt of PIP who are not like your son. We have set the bar way too low and cannot continue to afford it. It’s as simple as that.

You dont decide medical professionals decide

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 18:58

PandoraSocks · 02/07/2025 18:55

Surely not, BIossomtoes!

Shocked!

😂

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 18:58

tommyhoundmum · 02/07/2025 18:40

Surely not.

That's what insiders are saying

Allseeingallknowing · 02/07/2025 18:59

channacelane · 02/07/2025 18:16

I'm distracted by the extremely low cut slinky blouse she wore in parliament. Its that business attire? You can see her boobs. She looks an absolute mess, and like a rejected puppy.

Can’t be worse than Rayner’s weird outfits!

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