Rachel Reeves crying in PM questions

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She’s visibly crying

Wow. She needs to go. No sympathy.

Antidepressants are not a magic pill that you can take once and they stop you feeling upset, or crying. They are not mood stabilisers, & can take weeks or months to be effective.
No wonder people are so judgemental about mental health conditions, if this is how they think treatments work!

I never mentioned the grooming gangs or Lucy. You did. I was simply adding context as to why 2TK is called 2TK. Some is one or more...

So - on a thread about RR crying - I won't be getting into an argument about the Pakistani child rape and murder gangs (to call them their proper name) or discussing how Lucy was badly advised to plead guilty, to get a lesser charge (a non prison sentence), and had she not done so the onus would have been on the court to prove her guilt - which would have been very hard to do with out the admission! That they then threw the book at her can't be down to 2TK, definitely not, not way, as he claims to have only heard about it a few weeks ago.

@Spartahori I would be on the streets if I lost my job, I have no family support and that's not my fault. (Most of them are dead)

I disagree - Labour have done an appalling job. They have failed spectacularly.

So how are they all millionaires if its not from their wages

Starmer has thrown her under the bus. He caved into the far left Marxists yesterday and Reeves knows she has run out of road.

There is no money left.

Bond markets are going to punish her and so is the electorate when she raises taxes.

Rich taxpayers are running for the door, taking their tax dollars with them. Inflation is on the up. Companies are leaving the UK like it’s plagued - see Astra Zeneca announcement today.

This country is cooked. Two Tier, Rachel from accounts and the rest of heh shower of shite government took a dumpster of an economy and set fire to it.

Maybe she wanted to be there? Can you imagine if they said 'no sorry Rach, you're too emotional to be seen in public today'....

This isn't what was being proposed though, is it? If you were worried about your PIP being downgraded they'd already said it wasn't going to apply to current recipients and already decoupled from UC so not sure where homelessness comes in.

I have disabled family members so I sympathise with how it must feel to not know how you'll fill personal care needs.

Well said. The level of ignorance and heartlessness on this thread is really something, even by MN standards

She knew exactly how it was going to go. I would think her job is on the line (even though the PM agreed with everything she did)

The awful thing that happened to you is in no way the same. (I'm so sorry for your loss)

I'm just trying to imagine Churchill crying at the dispatch box during WWII. He had far worse news to impart.

We have absolutely no statesmen or stateswomen in any party right now.

How is any government meant to tackle this in a year? This happened under the Tories watch. I completely agree that economic migrants arriving illegally should not be given any right to remain but what do we do with them once they are here? If they were setting up huge tent cities the country would be up in arms, they have to be housed. The Tories were far too slow to build any kind of proper infrastructure to tackle this and it has ballooned out of control. It sounds easy to say ‘kick them out’ but have you any idea what a complicated process this is? Even leaving the EU can’t help us with this so the promises of ‘taking back control of the borders’ were a lie.

discussing how Lucy was badly advised to plead guilty, to get a lesser charge (a non prison sentence)

A non-custodial.sentence was never on the cards and Connelly knew it when she pleaded guilty. Read the appeal documents.

This is not the look a country wants from government surprised you don't get it. How will this crowd be if there is war - will they all just cry?

What a ludicrous comment. Do we support any person completely out of their depth and lamentably bad at their job, just because she’s a felllow woman?

I support people based on actual attributes, not purely by virtue of their sex.

That doesn’t answer the question that @Spartahori asked.

But no western society has been able to afford its generous welfare systems for decades. Everyone of them borrows billions a year just to keep it going and have created a societal entitlement that is almost impossible to break. It might not seem overly generous to those in receipt because of the expectation of a life style similar to the rest of society. But it is completely unaffordable to tax payers, has created swaves of dependency, is easy enough to defraud, has narrowed the gap of the benefits of working and created poverty traps and intergenerational dependency. It has also created a whole industry on maintaining the status. It also subsidises businesses to pay low wages by topping up incomes with welfare and paying grants for people taking up low paid jobs to employers.
I would say any Chancellor try to deal with that might shed a tear or two.

No one has taken away your ability to pay for care. Nothing has happened yet. And even in the most extreme case, if PIP is altered, it doesn't apply to existing claimants. Additionally if you receive life saving care, administered only by way of PIP, you'd have been highly unlikely to lose anything even if the initial version of the bill had gone through.

Liz Kendall is the work and pensions secretary, not Rachel Reeves . The bill was her design. But all that aside, you're talking about your mental health and potential suicide, while actively rooting for the downfall of someone else.

No, you can’t see the tears. Can you post a picture?

At the start they didn't we had a good few months at the start where we had no idea what was going on that we had to live with the fear and the unknown.

She had no business being there in that state and those around her should have supported her to not be there. It’s unsurprising she’s upset, she’s making a total mess of it but that’s as much due to the PM’s disastrous leadership (and I’m a Labour voter) as anything else.

Why does Labour only get a year to do anything right yet the Tories can get away with years of disastrous decision making? We cannot vote in Farage. We will be a laughing stock.

Starmer has admitted Davos world 🌎 politics trumps the UK in his opinion.

I think he sees himself on the world stage because Blair has achieved that and is minted. However, Blair served the country for a lot longer, Cherie behind the scenes built the foundations. Blair is personable, Starmer is not. Yes he will make money as an ex PM but not the giddy heights of Blair. Partly because Cherie worked with with Tony. Whereas you get the feeling Mrs Starmer isn't that invested in her husband's ambitions.

Why are you lying?

@Nanny0gg comparing a current politician to one from 80 odd years ago is a bit strange, particularly one who readily admitted he used heavy alcohol consumption to prop himself up!