Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

The rot started with Johnson. Ridiculous brat when he was mayor of London but PM? Marmalade dropping moment for me that day.

I assure you, they can. I despair of Labour but they are the least appalling set on offer. None are as amoral as Boris, as useless as Truss, as self-serving and devious as Farage, as vicious and racist as the rest of Reform, as clueless and pointless as Lib Dems, as blinkered and captured as the Greens. God help us if this country moves to the far right. We need a strong, dynamic Labour Party with a charismatic leader of integrity and vision. We haven't had one in decades. But that is what we need.

Yes that bears out what I say.

I find it condescending that Labour supporters use the accusation when they don’t see enough Labour in a post.

Again - am missing the 😂😂😂 emoji @Shakeoffyourchains

I don't think many of us believed that Labour would be a magic bullet. Many of us were politically homeless before the election and we remain so. There was never any penny to drop.

That said, many of us voted for Labour because we considered them to be the best of a bad bunch. That hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned.

There are no magic bullets. Sadly, people keep looking for them, hence the current popularity of Reform. And if people vote for them, we will all end up paying the price.

No need to be a snob. Do you think you are more educated than anyone else?

My point was that 1998 is a long time ago and 27 years later the ECHR are making very different decisions in a very different world. Immigration increased exponentially from 1997 onwards kicked off by Tony Blair. The wars in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan had not yet happened.

The only labour supporters left soon are going to be the people nannied by the state. Fortunately for them by the time of the next election there will be enough people dependant on their sweeties to keep them in power.

The "can't be any worse" mentality is truly dangerous. People have no idea.

The problem with the current government is it’s pushing the same economically illiterate austerity agenda as the last one. So nothing will greatly improve.

But but Boris had a sandwich in his office in lockdown!!! So having these clowns in constantly backtracking and making tits of themselves is apparently preferable.

We'll have Farage in next then the Labour lovers will wonder whyyyyy but Sir Keir is such a capable chap

That mentality helped Labour get in.

Now they’re losing support, not so much with loyal voters on here but generally.

No other government in my lifetime (nearly 80 years) has had to deal with a pandemic and lockdown such as we went through due to Covid. Who knows if it would have been handled better by another party. The impact is still being felt by many.

I agree with the OP. Immigrant numbers travelling from France in the hope of claiming asylum have soared, and the costs are enormous. The judiciary seem to operate randomly. Lucy Connolly’s sentencing is an example. The rules brought in to help refugees after WWII are no longer relevant. The NHS is in disarray, it’s so far removed from the original inception, trying to solve societal issues on top of actual health problems, that it’s letting many seriously ill people down. There is a lack of affordable housing, little mental health support, public transport is sketchy, and after the outcry re WFA, the Labour government want to reduce disability benefits!

It’s not looking great at all. Labour are out of their depth, and they don’t have the talent or vision to do anything but flail around making u turns. I wish we could call an election. There is plenty of buyers remorse in some quarters demanding a refund.

Agree too.

I don't dispute that that mentality helped Labour get in. So what?

It isn't a helpful way of doing politics. People should educate themselves about what they're voting for instead of blindly voting for change (no matter what that change might look like). Yes, all of the options are unappealing right now, but that doesn't mean that some choices aren't worse than others.

Agreed, and we have AI snapping at our heels too.

While Keir is a bit of a disappointment, the most important thing is to prevent those MONSTERS OF PURE EVIL known as Reform from getting into power.

If that means keeping Keir, so be it.

If that means getting Angela Rayner (whom I rather like, though like all Ministers, she took the wrong side on the PIP issue), so be it.

If that means getting the LibDems (whom I voted for, though the one time they got anywhere near power in 2010, they disappointed me just as much as everyone else), so be it.

If that means getting the bloody Tories back in, so be it.

If that means getting the Monster Raving Loony Party, so be it,

If that means getting a coalition between the cats and the dogs, so be it (they'd probably do better than humans have!)

ANYONE BUT REFORM!!!!!

Same, like they're just parroting each other
Free Gear Kier
Two Tier Kier
Starmer Harmer
Who works for Liebour (which just looks utterly ridiculous and as you say says a lot more about the posters)
Have I missed any?
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Yes but you have to take action to change rather than announce you are going to change it, then faff around and then end of leaving it basically the same.

Angela Rayner worked as a carer.

I don't disagree but past performance is always the best indicator of future performance and Labour have never performed well regarding the economy. Blair appeared to but only because of PFI and tax credits followed by Brown selling the gold which put us in a woeful position when we hit the next downward cycle in 2008. We still haven't recovered. Covid was the icing on the cake with the money printing machine in overdrive to support a wholly disproportionate extended period of lockdown.

The most sensible option at this pass is proportional representation which may bring some cross party continuity to the big issues such as the NHS.

You are going to be waiting a very very long time if you think this has anything to do with ‘Tory misrule’

Honestly I question the IQ levels of this country. Such a lazy grasp of the fundamental basics of an our country’s economics is why we are here today. People thought they were voting for change, even at the time it was wishful thinking at best.

The world would be a better place if she were still working as a carer.

Well 50% of the population is thicker than average.