Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

People do it for other parties and politicians on here. You only get mn posts re Labour like this one.

There’s always this howl of fear and panic when there’s a Labour Government And specific companies and individuals move overseas.
It doesn’t alter the fact that the U.K. is in a great time zone for business; has a good education system/ good workforce; temperate climate; few natural disasters and of course people speak English.
These basic but important fundamentals bring businesses back here and ensure we stay relevant.

Just taking the top leadership shows this is nonsense. Starmer was a barrister. Rayner worked as a carer. They’ve had proper jobs.

In 18 years Boris will have enough adult offspring and siblings to fill the entire cabinet. Imagine that!
Tony Blair started all of this... spend, spend, spend propped up by immigration, massive asset inflation and low wages. Combined with membership of the EU it has meant no PM since Thatcher has ever had to think for themselves and could blame all ills, and dodgy decisions, on Brussels. That is why we are where we are.

They say you get the politicians you deserve and I guess things never felt better than under Blair but really, I don't think we have deserved any of the representatives we have had and I include Blair and Brown (selling the nations gold at rock bottom rates).

None of them are true politicians and none have any work experience in the real world. Working for one of the big 5, a management consultancy, an investment bank or any organisation with a trade union should not be a prerequisite to being an MP, it should be an automatic ban.
2TK is like Londons Khan... in it for himself. He will not go willingly as the perks are just too good. Let us hope his party throws him out before the next election as I'd be worried he'd pull a stunt, like taking us into a war, so an election can't be held.

2TK is the most devastating of all PMs as he know how to manipulate the law for his own end.

Labour didn't have a more clear coherent plan given the 100 years in the wilderness.

I've said that to people - every time another committee to work out what to do about something gets announced - they were supposed to do that in opposition.

Instead population is supposed to be pleased they are thinking now and may come back in time for next election with a plan.

Events always over take new cycles but they do feel very unprepared in so many areas.

The problem is there is no money. The country is all but bankrupt. When the cupboard is bare families are on the bones if their arse and it's the same for the UK.

This. Every single word.

It's long enough to show you aren't up to the job though.

"The rules brought in to help refugees after WWII are no longer relevant."

Why?

There's a genocide currently taking place in Palestine. There have been many genocides and terrible oppression happening in countries around the world since WW2. The vast majority of people fleeing cruelty and oppression have sought refuge in neighbouring countries, and we've been pretty protected from the fall out in the global north. Wonder why you think this is an issue we no longer need to deal with?

"The NHS is in disarray, it’s so far removed from the original inception, trying to solve societal issues on top of actual health problems, that it’s letting many seriously ill people down"

The NHS isn't by and large 'trying to solve social problems'. It's dealing with the health fallout of rising health inequality and the social stress caused by 14 years of austerity.

"There is a lack of affordable housing" - correct, but unfortunately the people making the most noise about this are often the people who supported the policy of selling off and not replacing social housing, and also homeowners who are most invested in upholding planning barriers to new housing being built.

'little mental health support," - actually vast numbers of people are now accessing counselling, psychiatric medication and psychotherapy through the NHS, far, far more than ever before. The real problem is in the lack of access to safe and appropriate care for those people with severe mental illness and addiction. No surprise - these services suffered most under austerity in the early years of the previous decade.

That’s good as Labour are doing a good job at putting in policies to damage business and investment.

NI policy for a start.

It’s embarrassing how many people still speak of ‘austerity’ as if they are not aware that this is it - there isn’t going to be an ‘end to austerity’
The fiscal position of this country is precarious.

Ifs like they are choosing to live collectively in denial.

Those that say this always happens to Labour governments haven’t looked at the sheer numbers of people and companies that ARE leaving!

Have people forgotten how the Conservatives wrecked the country? This is a pattern oft repeated. Conservatives squirrel money away to their cronies and let public services rot. Labour comes in and try to rebuild those services and help those less well paid. The public rage that things are not happening quickly enough and the Conservatives, promising the earth, are re-elected. Labour scored an own goal with the winter fuel fiasco - really did not think this through. I am no particular fan of Keir Starmer but I think he’s basically a decent man, who’s stuck between a rock and a hard place with both sides of his party vying to be heard and causing mayhem. The alternative seems to be Farage (god help us) or whoever leads the Conservatives at the next election.

Far far from it, I left school at 16, grew up on a rough arse council estate. But I know how to read; I'm what you'd call an autodidact. I can find interest in most subjects and can argue for either side. Today is the freedom that people want to have, but are willing to deny others. Cake and eat it; it just doesn't work. We're either all in or all out. Seeing what happens in other countries, I'd rather be all in.

If your point was that a ruling from 1998 was a long time ago, say that.rather than a 'witty' comment. I mean, we still have case law being used from the 1800s, but if that's a point you want to argue, I'm all for it.

Today is a very different world from it was 30 years ago, much like it was even 5 years ago, pre-Ukraine-Russia.

I genuinely don't believe that we will leave the ECHR, even if Reform wins the next general election.

It's demographics and structural - and any government coming in was going to be facing massive problems - and yes that was shouted down on here in election time.

I'm in Wales over 20 + years of Labour and most things are working worse than in England and endless excuses about why - some valid some not.

I'd quite like Labour to stay in next Senedd election due to student uni funding - but I suspect they've run out of time and electoral patience polls this far out aren't accurate but they do show Labour in trouble here.

Actually no words.
I quite like the fact we have human rights, ta.
Edited to say we as in people as a whole. Not just who you think should have them, and pick and choose who is entitled to them.
Slippery slope if people get to decide that.

The UK designed and invented the human rights used in the EU today! FFS this is just unforgivable the way this is peddled out. We do not need the ECHR!!

Their NI policies are a big factor. They cause a reduction in growth and lower receipts.

Which means cuts. They they find hard to get through.

They’re creating their own cycle, anti growth to cuts / taxes or borrowing.

Recession and mass unemployment will be next…

BTW - the main reason the NHS is struggling is because it's overwhelmed by the health needs of a rapidly ageing population. There are now nearly double the percentage of people over the age of 65 in the population than there was in 1950 when the NHS was created. Many of these people have chronic health conditions. For all the whining about immigrants burdening the NHS, white, British born people over retirement age are far and away the most intensive users of the service.

All developed countries were aware of these changing demographic patterns and the increasing costs created by the broadening scope of medical and pharmaceutical technology, so most countries have been increasing the proportion of their GDP spent on healthcare year on year. That's what Blair's government did for years under New Labour. It's why the peak rate of satisfaction with NHS healthcare was in 2010, after years of increasing investment.

And then Cameron's government chose to cut the rate of increase of funding, so it no longer kept pace with growing needs caused by demographics etc. Also pushed through austerity changes that damaged public health generally. Cue falling satisfaction with NHS and a decline in the quality of healthcare service in many areas of medicine.

I suspect lots of people on this thread now frothing about Labour's performance in office voted Conservative and have been going about repeating the 'Conservatives spent more on the NHS than any other government in history!' line that has been wheeled out to disguise the truth about how they mismanaged and damaged public services over the 14 years of their government.

While I agree with much of what you say "the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low" is one point I'm not so sure about
These people had the guts to stand up against a manifestly unfair proposal that would hurt their constituents
They initially stood up when there was no chance of the changes being reversed, harming their future political prospects (Starmer was known to be very vindictive to people who disagree with him publicly in his time as DPP)
They might have the principles, backbone, and concern for the people who need their MP to look out for them, to make good future leaders

And the sheer number of low skilled migrants arriving, who will need benefits.

Yes that Labour are doing absolutely fuck all about except removing laws around being homeless. You really couldn’t make this up.

"Labour scored an own goal with the winter fuel fiasco"

Yes - they shouldn't have reneged on the loss of winter fuel allowance. They should have stuck with it.

cab you send the link to Exxon leaving the UK? And the official stats of wealthy individuals leaving?

> We already have the highest energy costs in the world
Ireland is higher for variable rate household energy consumers, and MUCH higher for businesses
In parts of the US, it's also a lot higher