Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

And a year is not very long to undo 15 years of Tory misrule.

Cone on you used the bot term. Just learn from it and don’t react to every view that isn’t Labour on a public forum.

What makes you think specifically Chris Mason?

No one would accept her. If they did, there would be change after change of leader before the next election. They'd lose under AR.

Wes Streeting has his eye on the role.

It's horrible. And used by the same people who probably object to being called 'Karens.' Misogynistic language is fine so long as the 'right' people are using it, apparently.

Social Security spending as a proportion of GDP since 1955. If this was a COVID chart you'd be screaming for a lockdown, not pretending that it is falling.

I've never voted Labour in my life but I agree with this.

The country is fundamentally ungovernable now. It's been legislated up it's own arse and do gooders have more say than your average quiet man.

I can’t work out if many on this thread are wilfully ignorant, dim or liars.
I am disappointed in elements of the government- much of it has been down to how they have communicated what they are doing and why they are doing it.
I know many of the new intake personally and professionally- they are finding their feet - there are some giant brains within the cohort.
Liz Kendall will be sacked - I hope they keep her ministers on as Torsten / Andrew / Ali are good and the system needs reform.
Look behind the headlines in the express, see what they are doing yo fix the country.

Apologies. Graph now attached.

100% agree with this! Can’t wait for Reform to finally get us out of this ridiculous agreement so I can stop having to respect all those absurd provisions on unfair dismissal, discrimination, pregnancy, health status, surveillance, trade union rights, collective bargaining, etc, etc.

Honestly, I’m sick of missing out on hundreds of thousands in potential profit just to keep the plebs I employ safe, healthy, and vaguely content.

I'm so furious with the Conservatives. Time was when I said proudly I'd never vote for them in the my life. However given what we are up against, the country really needs a sensible Conservative party with competent people in it, but they have destroyed themselves. I actually thought we were starting to get somewhere with Sunak and Hunt in charge, but time ran out for them, and no wonder. They'd had too many chances already.

Actually forget that. I'm furious with Boris fucking Johnson and to a slightly lesser degree, David Cameron. Do they have any inking at all of the incalculable damage they have done? And yet Cameron continues to accrue his millions, and people still continue to think Johnson is a lovable buffoon with his funny hair and endless procreating. Before his purge, the Tories still had some capable, decent MPs.

I don't think this is a huge disaster for Starmer.

He is certainly not on his way out. His back benchers may rebel but they know they have nobody to replace him.

The rebellion could help him in the long term as those who did rebel can tell voters that not all Labour MPs are just like Tories.

Starmer is a bland man and not great leader but he has this huge majority because the right wing vote is split between the Tories and Reform. He may not get those numbers again but so long as he faces a divided opposition he will stay in power.

So you start your post by saying anyone who disagrees with you is thick, basically?

Not a good argument.

There is not one member of the cabinet who has had a proper job- mostly they have spent their lives in politics, think tanks and unions.

Their inexperience of the world is the issue.

This is a massive problem for any government, though. We've got a massive elderly population sustained by a shrinking number of tax payers, with the birth rate going down so this will only decrease. Reform/Tories bang on about cutting welfare but in reality, they'd come up against the same problem. Fiddling with PIP etc is only tinkering round the edges. There isn't an obvious solution to the ticking pensions timebomb.

Starmer has always been a weak, spineless leader. He's lost control of his party and the confidence of voters. He's now trapped trying to deal with the consequences of a largely incompetent cabinet, with no viable alternatives.
Reeves sent the economy into terminal decline with her disastrous budget in 2024 and is either too stupid or too stubborn to admit she made a catastrophic mistake.

Labour doesn't tend to go in for the merry go round approach of leaders so beloved of the Tories.

Yesterday was a shambles but not PM or government ending level of shambles.

Kendall should go, though.

You think CM is the only one who thinks Labour are doing badly?

And what @Dangermoosaid

It's difficult to imagine what could be worse than Bulllshit Boris as PM. Then you suggest Nigel Farage 😂😂😂

If people are so afraid Reform will win at a next election, why on earth attack the person standing in the way of that next election?
Labour has to change the course of country and yes that will hurt and yes Brexit hurt. But sabotaging every attempt this government takes to change course is just going to come back at you. It seems everyone wants things to change as long as it is not a change that impacts you.

This is exactly what you end up with in an age of government by social media. Those who shout loudest get their way. It's now an age of populism.

Yet there are still very large numbers of people in this country who don't shout loudly. They grumble over a cup of tea.

Huge majority? They won by about 30% of the vote!

Nothing you say…

I don’t think Thatcher was that popular a year into power in the early 80s.
Blair was very popular a year on - but the later nineties - following the end of Soviet bloc and the opportunities it afforded - made for a much more stable global landscape to navigate. He was charismatic too - but he also had his downfall and hubris of not listening to people in 2003.
Leadership is bloody hard. I think you need someone who’s more intelligent than most people and with a set of values you agree with. Then you have to trust them to make decisions as events hit them.
For me - this can never be Farage.

I don't think they doing a great job - not really impressed with Starmer - but frankly they're no worse than last few Tory governments and I can't see anyone else on the horizon that looks better- though I do like Wes Streeting.

I can't see reform as a viable alternative - they had some infighting - they don't have a huge track record at local or national level - they've done okay in some polls yet people keep getting very OTT excited about them.

Very condescending. And how naive of you.