Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

Very pithy.

MN is disproportionately middle class liberals. Even with that demographic the penny has dropped.

Ok Cassandra.

Don't be so silly

Depends whether people are making sense or mindlessly shouting for the election of a far right, fascistic party/company who have no credible policies and have, in two short months, proved they couldn't run a piss-up in a brewery, let alone a council, let alone a government.

I don’t think it has for everyone on here.

I'm a labour voter but I knew it would just be more of the same when certain MP's lost jobs and conservatives just moved over to join the labour party. I'm now one of those people that says they're all the same. Depressing.

Thanks for showing everyone that you can't be educated.

The concept of illegal immigration was not noted until approx 1905, as the UK had no formal immigration act, anyone could come and set up, work, live etc in the UK.

The 'Aliens Act' was passed in 1905, which allowed immigration officials to refuse entry to undesirables. 1905 marked the beginning of immigration regulation in the UK. There are a few changes in between, a big one being the 1948 British Nationality Act. - which led to a large part of the Windrush generation.

The Tories may chop and change on leaders but I don’t see Labour doing the same.

Some think similar of Labour. Quite a few going by voting intentions. I only see Labour supporters use the bot line when they read views that don’t support their party.

Makes no difference, we'll still have a left-wing government. Immigration is now a national emergency. This has gone beyond a joke. Twice as many people crossed the channel (the vast majority of them young men) in the first half of 2025 as in 2024. Of course, those are the people we have some record of. God knows how many people are really in Britain. At times I feel like I'm suffocating.

In any case, the channel crossings are only a part of all this. I live in Colchester, and in the last few years the town has really changed. Everywhere I look there are groups of young immigrant men. A neighbour who walks her dog with me confessed (like she was ashamed) that she no longer goes into town because she feels intimidated. Something doesn't feel right, however. This doesn't feel like legal immigration. Essex University is on the outskirts of Colchester, and I suspect people are exploiting the student visa system. My local woods have been hacked down to make way for two giant new estates, and a second estate has been built at the other end of the village. Now we've been told the fields in the centre of the village are going to be built on as well. The traffic is so awful I have to time my visits to the shops. I often jog through those new estates, and I would estimate that at least half the people who've moved onto them weren't born in the UK.

I'd rather Labour politicians were honest and just came out and said "listen, you horrible Daily Mail-reading nimbys. We don't give a damn how mass immigration is impacting your life. We don't care if the countryside is being destroyed to house these people. And we don't care if you feel intimidated. Our priority is the immigrants. Oh, Britain is losing its identity is it?. Boo hoo. Good!! We're ashamed of Britain's history, and we despise people like Churchill. You've got a new identity now – so shut your mouth and get used to it."

Absolute bollocks that the MPs are low calibre. I know four of the current intake of Labour MPs, and they're all highly educated and intelligent. Most don't have much experience of government, admittedly, but we've had a Tory government for 13 years so that's not surprising. They've having to learn on the job.

I do think there's a problem in that Keir Starmer clearly doesn't trust his own political instincts and governs by opinion poll. He is trying so hard to make Labour be all things to all people, that it's not got any central message or purpose. He needs to pick a team, basically, and set out a proper vision for this goverment.

Unfortunately, whatever happens, I think there's a strong chance we'll end up with a Reform government next term and that will be an absolute disaster. They are diabolical in council - utterly shambolic. Nigel Farage falls out with everyone after five minutes - he is a lone wolf who can't really play nicely with anyone else. They're too busy fighting with each other to be sensible about anything. Oh - and they won't stop the boats either. The thought of them in actual government is terrifying.

What on earth is the point, if anyone criticises Reform or suggests they might not be acting purely in good faith, of shouting BUT LABOUR until everyone gets bored and gives up?

What a waste of your own and everybody else's time.

What do you think leaving the ECHR would achieve in terms of immigration numbers?

I don't really blame Starmer for this. He was doing the right thing, attempting to gradually apply the brakes to our every more out of control welfare bill, however, the left of the party just simply won't acknowledge reality, or just shout "tax the rich" etc.

Labour are a broad church, from Blairites to the MPs that have yet to speak on local issues, using all their time to talk about foreign wars. I can see that it is a virtually impossible job to steer the ship in one direction.

They also protect you; you may not know it because you've grown up with those very protections in place. Hence, you have the freedom to write this, pretty much anonymously, without fear of the government kicking your door in.

I'm in no way saying that they are not twisted at times, and some of the very criminals they protect, we feel, don't deserve it, but it's a 'cake and eat it' situation.

It would be like me saying'

What are you talking about. You are accusing posters with bots because they’re not Labour as you are.

Why spend time on an open and public forum with mixed views if you can’t accept not everyone feels as you do. Surely you get people do intend to vote Reform and get to post about that

You don’t need to undermine with bot accusations

I agree @40YearOldDad
It’s a year in power in a complex global landscape. He’s navigated foreign policy seemingly well - although I appreciate the Israel and Palestine is incredibly complex but for me, he is treading a good path with other global leaders.

Domestically - they seem to be working hard. He has listened to his MPs… maybe that’s weak OR maybe that’s what our parliamentary system should do? That’s why we don’t have a President.
However I agree is a lack of overall business confidence but it feels like this is global?
Many governments are struggling . We have pulled our selves out of the European Union, stunted our economy throughout COVID, we didn’t capitalise on a post Covid boom in the right way as there was too much Tory infighting and then leadership campaigning (UNFORGIVEABLE!) and subsequently missing a chance in 2022 to really set some plans in place for long term growth and contain inflation. On top of that as a nation our economy has had to deal with war in Europe.

It’s difficult. He’s a clever man and is showing he’s listening. There’s a lot of latent anti labour feeling in the mainstream media and they’re looking to capitalise on mistakes he’s making.

Rascism aside - the problem with Reform is they’re just saying lots of things that sound good (increase productivity, fix NHS, no tax below 20k Pa salary etc) and they sound good to lots of people BUT they’re not going to be able to fund these ideas. The principle problem is that the money that flows around the world and within individual countries is getting stuck in the pockets of fewer and fewer people and businesses. Apple are a trillion dollar company - are they paying tax in the same way in the U.K. as John Lewis? Is Google? (most Google invoices I receive are raised out of Dublin with no VAT)

Amazon is a fantastic business model but all that money we spend buying from it - would have been spent on our high street in the past and the taxes would have benefitted our Government.
We are readjusting as a country and I would prefer this adjustment to be navigated by Starmer and his value system and ability to listen - and not someone who blames all of these complexities on other poor brown people.

I live in a town where one third of the popular are second generation immigrants and I don't recognise what you're saying at all. I don't feel 'suffocated.' I'm not afraid to walk the streets. (LOL). I enjoy the cultural diversity, it keeps things a bit interesting. Plus they're just people and it really doesn't make any difference where your ancestors come from, especially once you're second or third generation immigrants. Everyone has the same problems and the same opportunities and moans about the same things and is happy about the same things.

It's going to get a lot worse with war ongoing in the Middle East. Millions of refugees from Gaza and Iran are going to look to go to the place where they can speak the language - ie, English. So brace yourselves!

We spend the same proportion of GDP on benefits now as we did in 2013/14. If you believe the "welfare bill" (sic) is out of control you're going to have to consider culling some of our ageing population since those over retirement age account for the majority of spending on benefits.

You are being unreasonable to refer to ‘Rachel from Accounts’

I can’t see any evidence that this is the case.

If you fundamentally misunderstand what people are saying, it's better to reread and try to comprehend rather than continue to press home a point nobody is arguing. Let's allow this to be the end of this tedious exchange now.

A horrifically misogynistic nickname I agree

Are you calling us rabble?