Two Tier’s days are numbered

[Jennps]

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

What did they used to call Cummings in the Tory Party? Wormtongue, I think. Well earned

Nothing wrong with it at all.

There is though a pattern of posters and OPs quoting verbatim from the Telegraph, often without crediting it and often as part of an OP.
That might not be you although, if the cap fits.

Don't understand. But that's not unusual on here! 😆

Short version - people make stuff up and attribute it to the Telegraph.

Oh right! I did not know that.

I've rather gone off the DT anyway of late. Too tabloidy these days.

My current labour MP in their first go at being an mp ousted a very long standing tory and so far they've been great in the local area. They also voted against the pip cuts.

looks like the article is open access (I don’t have a subscription and read most of the first one).

I honestly don’t see how anyone can take his ‘suggestions’ seriously. Even Boris had enough of him.

Kill or capture, drop people off on an island - these are nonsense ideas. He says it’s a legal problem as if the law doesn’t mean anything in real life. However much we might individually disagree or dislike some parts of the law, the idea that it’s simply an obstacle to overcome is ludicrous. Let’s say we leave the ECHR, now we can shoot and kill people who travel into our waters on small boats? What about people who are inside trucks that arrive in the UK? What about visa overstayers?
And what does this new order mean for our global standing? We’re a net importer of food, how quickly do you think Europe would consider sanctions if our government left human rights frameworks and began summarily executing or transporting people? How many countries would impose restrictions on entry for British passport holders?

DC is full of shit, he always was. A smart guy that is more interested in being smart than actually working to a solution.

Probably just spitballing, we need some ideas surely?

Do you just phone up Tesco and speak to them? I’m intrigued.

The economy was starting to do quite well when this lot took over. They could have literally done nothing and their performance would have been infinitely better than it has been. We are sunk in just one year of these incompetents.

Offensive and ableist language. It’s not necessary. You can have different opinions without descending to that level.

Not really, the economy was starting to recover from the utter disaster of Liz Truss, who single-handedly pushed any government back years. it was not doing well, it was recovering.

The Bank of England had to buy gilts to calm the markets, and the good old raise interest rates to curb inflation from 10% has, and still, affects millions of people with their mortgages.

@Quirkswork

You say Labour doesn't represent you. Who do you think it represents?

Do you use the NHS? Do you want the government to address the problems with the NHS? Or do you have private healthcare?

Do you educate your children in state schools? What are your problems with Labour's education plans?

I'm going to guess you're angry about the increase in employer's NI? How do you feel Labour should have dealt with the massive black hole in the public finances and the problems with NHS is currently experiencing, without raising more money through taxation?

Last question - are you on a very low income? Do you feel like you're genuinely struggling?

@Blossomtoes

"Short version - people make stuff up and attribute it to the Telegraph."

It's easy enough to do, because the Telegraph is so predictable.

(although even I couldn't have predicted how obsessively they'd focus on the VAT on school fees issues - I mean ffs, most of their readers are over 60 and never had kids at fee paying schools... but then most of their journalists and editors probably do, so that probably explains it).

It’s not relevant what it was recovering from (unless you want to do political point scoring which is pretty pathetic). The fact is there was growth and signs of positive performance. And that has been sabotaged through the actions of our own chancellor. Liz Truss was obviously an epic disaster and deserves all the criticism she gets, but that’s beside the point when discussing the present incumbents.

If your finances are sinking, you first look to cut your spending and then you make more money. The government has increased spending and damaged economic growth so have done neither of those things. They seem to think that raising taxes = making money. It isn’t, and shows how economically illiterate they really are.

@peanutbuttertoastyit seems inevitable at this point. Ever growing demands will lead to a market blow out.

How is it not relevant? It'd be like me spending all my wages for six months and then saving for one month and saying, 'Look how much I've saved,' not 'Look how much I could have saved.'

The past, given that you are trying to say how well the economy was doing, is more relevant than ever. After falling so far and so fast, there's only one way, and it's back up. The fact is, GDP was down in Truss's time in office, Q3 of 2022 and down again in Q4 of 2022 when Sunak took over—no political point scoring.

Any government would have made a recovery from the utter fallout of her 44 days in office, due to the steps taken by the BoE to reassure investors. That wasn't Tory or Labour.

Keir isn't left wing at all so nobody could be more left. He presided over decisions that went against the left wing of the party, that's why there were u turns. Many people voted Labour because of the rich poor divide getting bigger so felt betrayed when Labour turned on the vulnerable, it was shocking. If people had voted Labour with Jeremy Corbyn at the helm and true socialist policies we wouldn't be in this mess now. Jeremy has been a politician aas long as many of us have been alive.

They're raising the taxes of the wrong people though.

I didn’t say the economy was doing well, I said it was starting to recover. In my view it should have been left to continue on that trajectory. And if you think things can’t get worse than they were under Truss, I’m afraid you are deluded.

And yet when Cameron did exactly this with austerity measures in the early part of the previous decade, the impact of it was to slow economic growth and weaken the economy.

And if you have a socialised system of healthcare, and you cut social spending to the point that you actually damage public health and leave more people unable to work - again, it's counter productive in the medium and long term.

Out of interest - did you support the cuts to the winter fuel allowance? I did, and was frustrated when Labour U-turned on them. It would have saved 1.9 billion.

@peanutbuttertoasty

What spending cuts would you have liked to have seen?

The last budget was £70bn tax take and borrowing wasn't it

Now people are demanding more of the same. And on it goes, more and more demands. It'll end in tears.