Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

Standard political ops - if you label your opponents then people are less likely to look at what they actually do and stop at a nickname. The politics of the playground

Do Labour posters not notice the same for non Labour politicians on mn?

Didn’t say the playground was confined to one side or the other! Just a sign of limited thought. What people do is surely more important than a silly nickname

You don't know who I vote for.
Of course I notice it but not with such relentless repetition or in the same easy to follow patterns.

I think the nicknames for the current dire crop of Labour politicians are being objected to so frequently because they have a real element of truth to them. More so than usual.

eg "Rachel from Accounts" told blatant lies to get her the Chancellor gig and wasn't quite as experienced as she claimed, and"Two Tier Keir's".varied approaches to people depending on their politics/skin colour/sector of the economy they work in. Nicknames all a little too close to the bone..

No it really is relentlessly repetitive and similar patterns.

No, it's not the actual names. People can call names if they wish, it's a bit silly, but harmless.

It's the relentless use of them, almost as though the user is trying to give us an ear worm and the pattern of their use. It indicates a kind of instruction manual to use the phrases rather than the product of individual thought amongst a disparate group of people.

I think more likely it just encapsulates how people see a particular politician.

You don’t notice the same for Trump or Tory politicians on here? Or the repeated ‘grown ups’ line or others. Labour have just as much collective phrasing as any other.

I'm really trying to think of nicknames that are used so relentlessly for other MPs. I can think of names like Maybot or 30p Lee, but my goodness, they're not used so incessantly and in such a similar and goady way in what otherwise purports to be reasonably put argument.

Most other politicians don't make it so ridiculously easy to be summed up in a nickname.

Maybot was a good one though.

I think it’s really de-humanising. It like PR for cynicism or a lazy shorthand to flatten people into memes.

For me it’s an instant credibility loser. As soon as someone starts with the stupid nicknames I immediately discount anything else they say.

But Orange Man Bad is also funny. It sums up the depth of thinking of the people who oppose him and tells us something about the state of current politics in the US. Two Tier Kier encapsulates something about his approach to governing that really upsets people in this country. It's neat shorthand. Like Thatcher the Milk Snatcher. I'm all for a relevant nickname.

Oh well.

Incidentally it’s the reason they all have to call each other “the Right Honorable” because otherwise they get into the Mr Political Poohpants territory pretty quickly and you can be disciplined for it…

By the time they have got to the Lords there are no such rules, they just have actual manners

There’s a few people using them for Kemi Badenoch, in fact The Guardian ran a headline with a ridiculous one. Lee, Truss, mostly Trump. I know the latter is not an MP but it’s often done by those expressing dislike for Labour versions.

@Quirkswork
I see what you mean about the shorthand and why it appeals to you in particular.

That’s not really very good.

We all know that Labour holds seats in massively racist areas and has a persistent problem with vicious antisemitism.

It would be obvious nonsense to claim
that any party is free of bigots or wrong ‘uns but Labour is no better in that respect than the Tories.

I get your undercurrent there. That's a bit mean! I thought I expressed myself perfectly reasonably.

I didn’t mean it to come across as mean! And now I’ve said mean twice 🤣

Exactly. I am still waiting to hear how all this is going to be funded. Some people can't grasp simple economics

🤣

Well Trump earned the presidency, even the inept Labour Party know Raynor couldn't be trusted to be anywhere near such a similar position.

You can’t ‘stop’ illegal migration, any more than you can stop any other illegal activity. You can punish it, deter it and limit it through prevention but you can’t stop it so if that’s your measure of success, it will never be met.

ironically though, one way to reduce illegal migration is to create safe and legal routes.
People could then apply from either their own or a safe country and then travel if approved. It worked with Ukrainians and there was broad public support for that scheme. On any view, that was a ‘better asylum system’ than that available to others fleeing conflict or hunger. But somehow I doubt that’s what you’re advocating.